History Speaks — Will America Listen? (Part Three)
Anyone knows, who has half of an eye open, that American citizens are soon to become an endangered species under our present lunatic President. Everyone should know that all of our constitutional protections against an out-of-control globalist puppet regime are melting away right before our very eyes. Everyone knows that Obama, under the NDAA, has the legal authority to “disappear” all political opponents without so much as a trace. Everyone knows that American economy was driven over the fiscal cliff in 2008 when Congress permitted the bankers to plunder our tax revenues and, today, we are just waiting for the official eulogy that the American economy is dead and the real “hunger games” are about to commence. Everyone knows that when the Obama puppet masters in the Zionist Federal Reserve are done plundering what is left of our pensions, our social security, our private property and our 401k’s, that the economy will be collapsed once and for all. And then, what will the American people do? They will do what any generation of Americans would do, they will take to the streets in attempt to rid themselves of the corrupt banker controlled government which has ruined this country. Sadly, this last ditch desperate attempt at regaining our lost liberties will not have a happy ending.
Picture, if you will, the veterans groups marching on Washington DC. Imagine bus loads of citizens following the veterans groups which will demand an end to a tyrannical government. Obama will make a formal declaration of martial law. Americans, desperate for food, water and the means to make a living will seek open confrontations with the present administration and this will commence the darkest days in American, and perhaps, even world history.
Will American troops follow the genocidal orders surely to be delivered by Obama? Will they begin to secretly arrest perceived dissidents? Will the military follow orders to shoot to kill American citizens who will be desperately looking for their next meal? With FEMA’s performance following Katrina and now Sandy, will there even be a next meal? Don’t hold your breath.
When the irresistible force meets the immovable object, what will happen? Will American troops fire, when ordered, upon their American brothers and sisters? There are two possible answers to this question. First, it is a known fact that the military is programmed in boot camp to follow orders like a bunch of Pavlovian conditioned dogs who are well trained in the art of unquestionably carrying out the orders of their superiors without hesitation. From a military training perspective, there can be little doubt that American soldiers will not only fire upon American protestors, but most will do so without the slightest amount of hesitation or conscience. However, the field of psychology provides an even more accurate view of why we can expect the American military to do in the coming desperate times. Not only will our military fire upon us, their fellow citizens, but they will also willingly participate in the round up of dissidents, and the extermination of these dissidents in what has become known FEMA Camps, which will surely accompany the coming martial law. Folks, NORTHCOM has been training for this since the 1990′s.
Before I address the psychological reasons on why the coming American genocide is almost upon us and it will receive the enthusiastic support from active duty military personnel, let’s examine the fiction set forth by a group known as Oath Keepers.
Some our citizens are deluded into a false sense of security by the group known as Oath Keepers. It is a well-intentioned effort to remind both law enforcement and the military to uphold the Constitution and to disobey unlawful orders which would bring harm to American citizens. Under the this false sense of security, many in the American public really believe that American troops will not fire upon American citizens in the impending civil disobedience which is sure to follow Obama’s Sovietization of the United States. The Oath Keepers have all but assured the American public that both law enforcement and the military will refuse to obey unlawful orders to commit genocide against protesting Americans. Anyone who believes this fiction is self-delusional. As you will see in the following paragraphs, history has already answered the question as to whether anything beyond a small minority will actually resist committing atrocities against the American people.
The world of psychological research provides the definitive answer to whether we should fear our military in the coming storm ahead in the form of a phenomenon called groupthink. Groupthink is often described as a decision-making process whereby the group members go along with what they believe is the consensus. Groupthink has also been used to describe individual acquiescence to authority even when the authority has limited power to enforce compliance. Groupthink often causes groups to make hasty, irrational decisions, where individual doubts are set aside, for fear of upsetting the group’s leadership and balance.
Just how far will people go to please authority figures and subsequently do what they know to be immoral? The first known laboratory test for groupthink occurred in 1963 by Yale professor, Stanley Milgram. Subjects for this landmark study were recruited for the Yale study through newspaper ads and direct mail. The participants were men between the ages of 20 and 50, from all educational backgrounds, ranging from an elementary school dropout to participants with doctoral degrees.
Milgram wanted to determine what percentage of people would willingly administer enough progressive electric shocks which would result in death simply based on the orders of a perceived authority figure (i.e., the experimenter).
There were three participants in the experiment:
1. The Teacher was the real subject in the experiment. Their role was to administer shocks for each wrong answer provided by the learner. How far would they go, was the true subject of the experiment. Would they actually kill a person for failing to provide the correct answer on a word pair test? Would they mindlessly follow the orders of the experimenter to continue with the abuse, regardless of the results and obvious harm being perpetrated upon the pretend victim in the experiment?
2. The second participant, the Learner, was actually a plant in the experiment. The Learner would sit in an adjacent room and pretend to be shocked for each wrong answer that they would purposely give. Eventually, they would cry out for help and beg the Teacher to stop administering the electric shocks. Their cries included pleas of mercy that were often based on an unknown level of self-expressed cardiac distress that they were pretending to experience.
3. The Experimenter was a stern looking fellow who carried a clipboard, wore a lab coat, and would urge the Teacher to continue regardless of the make believe pleas of the Learner.
The “Teachers” were told by the experimenter that they would be participating in an experiment to test the effects of punishment on learning. However, as has already been stated, this was not the goal of the experiment.
The “Teacher” was given a list of word pairs which was used to teach the Learner. The Learner was actually a confederate, or a plant, in the experiment. The Teacher would then read the first word of each pair and read four possible answers. The Learner would deliberately press the wrong button to indicate his response. Since the answer was incorrect, the Learner would receive an electric shock, with the voltage progressively increasing with each wrong answer. Therefore, the
subjects believed that for each wrong answer, the Learner was receiving an ever increasing level of actual shocks which would eventually result in death.
In reality, there were no shocks. After the confederate (i.e., Learner) was separated from the subject, the confederate set up a tape recorder integrated with the electro-shock generator, which played pre-recorded sounds of pain and distress for each successive level of shock. After a number of voltage level increases, the Learner would bang on the wall which divided him from the subject (teacher). After several instances of banging on the wall and complaining about his heart condition, the learner provided no further responses to questions and no further complaints. The fate of the Learner was left to the imagination of the teacher. The silence was met with the command to continue with the experiment. Although the Learner was not being harmed, the Teacher believed that they were administering progressively dangerous shocks. From the instrumentation panel, the Teacher could clearly see that their shocks were approaching the level of lethality. Was the Teacher being forced to capitulate and continue with the experiment? Quite the contrary was true, the prompts to continue administering shock were encouraged by minimal prompts and absolutely no threats were offered by the Experimenter.
If at any time the subject hesitated or expressed a desire to discontinue the experiment, the subject was given a planned and verbatim succession of verbal prompts by the experimenter:
1. “Please continue.”
2. “The experiment requires that you continue.”
3. “It is absolutely essential that you continue. ”
4. “You have no other choice, you must go on.”
If the Teacher still wished to stop after having listened to four successive verbal prompts, the experiment was discontinued. Otherwise, the experiment was terminated after the subject had administered the lethal 450-volt shock three times in succession.
Milgram expected that less than one percent would actually administer a fatal electric shock. The actual results were so stunning that he decided to film the results on the final day, fearing that nobody would believe his results. And what were the results? Despite expressing some measure of discomfort and the minimal use pressure, in Milgram’s first set of experiments, 65% (26 out of 40) of the subjects administered the experiment’s final and hypothetically fatal 450-volt shock. Amazingly, no participant steadfastly refused to give further shocks before the 300-volt level!
Milgram’s results were confirmed when Dr. Thomas Blass performed a meta-analysis on the results of repeated performances of the experiment. Blass found that the percentage of participants who were willing to administer fatal voltages remains remarkably constant, between 61% and 66%.
The results of Milgram’s and Blass’ work are stunning in their final conclusion which demonstrated that almost two-thirds of all Americans will mindlessly follow the commands of a “perceived” authority figure even when the authority figure has no real power over the people. Is this why our military continues to serve a despot who does not hesitate to throw away their lives or anyone else under his charge such as Ambassador Stevens?
To achieve political success, every authoritarian regime requires a high level of voluntary cooperation (i.e., groupthink) from its citizenry. Cooperation can be coerced as many times, in dictatorial regimes, cooperation is obtained as a result of extreme intimidation by carrying out a relatively small number of exceptionally harsh punishments in order to serve as a warning to the masses. However, there are not enough police, inspectors, auditors, etc. to control a populace in which the majority would fail to comply with the status quo. Then why do we continue to follow leaders who have abandoned the Constitution and the welfare of our people long ago? Is America a prisoner to the groupthink phenomena? What about gross ignorance as a contributor to America’s capitulation to such bad leadership? Can anything be done? Now that we have had the confirmation of FEMA Camps, are you concerned about the propensity for the American people to follow directions right to the planned extermination of Americans as planned by the globalists?
I wholeheartedly support and applaud the efforts of the Oath Keepers. However, when one considers the conditioned response training of the military and the propensity for even nonmilitary personnel to blindly follow orders, through the process of group think, I think Oath Keepers may only be able to exert a very minimal effect on the overall outcome as it pertains to the American troops committing genocide against the American people.
Part 4 will examine what options Americans, who steadfastly refuse to accept the tyrannical government that we are increasingly being exposed to, have at their disposal to combat the coming American genocidal holocaust.










“…there can be little doubt that American soldiers will not only fire upon American protestors, but most will do so without the slightest amount of hesitation or conscience. ”
Any/All dictators will local citizens to defend and carry out their reign of terror. The USA will be no different. Another eye opening article for all to ponder. Thanks!
This article is the only one of it’s kind, because Dave Hodges asks the question that no other American would: “Will American Troops Commit Genocide Against American Citizens?”. I can tell anyone from personal experience, the late 20th to early 21st century military is comprised of “Muttonheads”. Yes, i said it, someone finally has to. I am sick of all the blind patriotic idiocy that American citizens show for “Our Heroes” . Next to 0 of American troops admit to the fact that they are accomplices to Illegal Wars and Occupation. Next to 0 of American troops admit that countries like Iraq and Afghanistan are worse off than before the US invaded! Next to 0 of American troops admit that “conspiracies” such as Operation Northwoods (which is identical in function/scope to the invented “War On Terror”) actually exist. I, myself nearly got into a brawl with enlisted nitwits who denied it even existing when I asked about depleted uranium ammunition and armor, even though G.I.s are being poisoned by said armor/ammo! Not to mention the scores of deformities and child birth fatalities to the Iraqis and others nations citizens who are constantly exposed to that radioactive crap.
Add to that, the fact, that Illegal Aliens are allowed in the military, along with ex-convicts, gang members, American civilians who have no criminal history, but are severely ignorant or just plain stupid (Brainless American Youth 18-25), I just recently spoke to a 23yr old who thinks being prepared “is stupid” and that “there is nothing wrong with the US military , the NDAA or Drones because we gotta get the terrorists”
The answer is yes yes and yes! American Troops will turn on American civilians! I don’t care how many Vet parades you go to, no matter how much you donate to the USO, no matter how many CARE packages you send to “our boys” in Iraq, those clowns will turn on you as soon as they get the command because they are not capable (for the most part) of rational thinking and foresight. They literally have a cartoon mentality, (autobots vs decepticons) with no grey area between.
The groupthink also infects the families of officers and soldiers, so blind obedience is constantly reinforced ( tell a US soldier who caused “collateral damage” to foreign innocents that he just committed murder, his answer will be: “We build bridges for them! We give them drinking water and MREs! We freed them from “whoever”! Their all ungrateful!” AND his family and friends will parrot the same garbage and G.I. numbskull will actually feel even better than before because he “knows” that he is “protecting our freedoms and trying to bring “American values” to “idiot foreigners”…
When “Johnny G.I.” shows up with local law enforcement to take you and yours to a FEMA re-education camp, and to urinate all over your 2nd amendment rights, do yourself a favor and make sure it’s “Johnny’s” last tour of duty…
You are absolutely right, “it will receive the enthusiastic support from active duty military personnel”
I am also pretty sure that under the coming mass amnesty Obozo may make it a requirement that all (presently) illegal aliens serve under Obama in his civilian force before they can finalize the process of becoming “legalized”. A force just as big and just as strong as the military.
A force which will have no qualms about firing on Americans, who have been conditioned to hate Americans and seek out revenge for perceived wrongs done to them taught to them from birth by their rabid Marxist teachers, mentors, and leaders–no matter what side of the border they operate from..
even if this “civilian” force never materializes the US military WILL do the job, except that with all the wars and operations going on around the world it just doesn’t seem to me that they have enough available men to get the job done without extra help. The UN? China? Hmm.
It seems there comes a moment when one passes over and beyond the ‘point of no return’ line, in terms of the Groupthink, i.e. the mind is unable to stop the program and a total reactionary sequence jumps into play based on “all” the uploaded, inputed data, e.g. TV programs/commercials, movies, IRS fear tactics, smart meters, HAARP, Rx and Non-Rx drugs, GMO Food, School indoctrination, etc., etc., etc., from the moment one was conceived all the way to the molded and manipulated form we find ourselves in now.
The Human Mind is much stranger than I could have ever imagined.
Which has got me thinking about one rather strange concept, i.e. what it takes to “kill” someone. I’ve been “preparing” for many years now, for the field of all possibilities regarding the great storm brewing “just over there” and, in the process of adequately preparing for “that” day, I’ve acquired various “tools” to defend myself and loved ones against “certain forms” of tyranny. Even though my mind says, “Do what you need to do to stand up for righteousness”, my heart wonders what might be the short term and long term repercussions to that vulnerable organ, if I were to succeed in achieving that object. It seems so diametrically opposed to the nature of life, i.e. ending someone else’s rather than supporting it. Of course, with all the TV and Movie Groupthink programming taking place while being plugged into that world as a youth, it seems as “easy” as playing a video game (which, incidentally, I only participated in a few times, years ago).
We’ve been lucky in America. Last civil war was before any of us were around. Seen civil wars on TV/Films, but never up close and personal.
This is No Drill.
You obviously don’t know any soldiers or marines. I know mnay and have trained with some. They are awake and know the score and will not obey these orders. They will turn to the resistance with their knowledge and weapons. Your experiment is flawed. Some will, there is no doubt, but the majority will stand down and fight for the constitution, freedom and liberty.
EDITOR’S NOTE: Don, I wish you could provide reasons why I would think your emotional reaction is more correct than sound scientific fact. Do you, or anyone else, have proven scientific facts to prove that these psychological principles will not apply?
@ Don
I wonder why the active combat U.S. troops, in the various countries they are killing literally millions of civilians in while spreading democracy and liberty, would refrain from terminating “the enemy” once deployed here? Killing “Terrorists”, regardless of their Nationality is what the “U.S.” Military does, right?
If you seek the answer, always look to history first. Humans are creatures of habit, and we reflexively obey what we have been taught or conditioned to accept as the norm. How many reading this can recall what happened in the last 125 years of US history in regard to the union movement or the demand of WW1 veterans to get what had been promised them? Go to Wikipedia and look at these articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coxey%27s_Army, and even more to the point, http://www.henrymakow.com/would_american_troops_fire_on.html, where we find those staunch patriots Gen. MacArthur and General MacArthur’s aide, General Dwight D. Eisenhower and then Major George Patton also had a hand in the action.
Reader, you simply MUST accept the fact that the USofA is an economic imperial empire these last 125 years, and God help anyone who stands in its way. As Gore Vidal so famously remarked, it would be more accurate to call it the United States of Amnesia, as every effort is made to keep the truth from its citizens.
I believe the military will begin obeying orders, but change during the slaughter, perhaps become human and American, and retaliate against those orders. Who can stop them from any direction they choose? Certainly not a fat cat political party or a commander in chief who is a cowardly murderer.
Don, I really want to believe what you are saying, but I have my doubts.
I guess we have to wait and see when the SHTF.
I am just an outsider north of the border and wonder how things gonna play out here.
Only racism will allow an American to kill another American…
And racism is a long-lasting infestant plant in many states
as Texas, Alabama, Arkansas, etc.
If there is a Civil War, the latin-american people of the U.S.
should temporarily abbandon the country to be safe.
Also the people of black-skin should do the same.
Native american should stay and watch from their reserves.
The others should do themselves what they want …
(following the indian-cursing after 1860).
Giancarlo Rossi (aka THEREDTURTLE)
Sorry, but I do not think that you are correct in saying that our troops will turn on the American people. Granted, some will, those illegals, convicts, etc., who were able to enlist may be ready to take it out on “whitey”, but overall, I believe that our troops would not likely be ready to commit suicide, which is exactly what they will be doing going against the 80+ million gun owners in this country, and NO, not all of us are/were in the military, so, your “groupthink” does not apply to as.
Our constitution used to serve as a check on government abuse, it no longer does…
This is why we must NEVER relinquish our weapons since that is the only tool left to keep us from being abused, enslaved, ripped off or killed.
No aspiring tyrant would attempt to install a tyranny without 1st obtaining our guns, but that will be nearly impossible since we aren’t sheep-like British, or law abiding Germans under Hitler in the 30′s.
I would recommend buying assault style weapons with 5 times the ammo that you think is enough since they will be the final tools to keep us from becomming subjects instead of citizens.
I have no doubt that some of what you say would happen in the circumstances you describe. However, you have not accounted for at least 2 contingencies. You state that in the Milgram experiment 2/3rds of the participants followed orders. That leaves 1/3rd that did not. It takes far less than 1/3rd of a military population to effect a mutiny.
Second, and perhaps more realistically, uniformed military forces, armed uninformed and plain clothes local, state and federal personnel would be outnumbered in my estimation something like 5,000 to one by armed and likely highly agitated civilians. Oh sure, maybe they’ll be able to get a few lucky shots off, but I wouldn’t give a wooden nickel for the hides of anyone in the employ of the public sector if the situation you describe comes to pass.
This article is sad but true! but I don’t think there will be much blood shed, the majority (military/civilians) will follow the orders of our so called leaders. Unfortunately the masses just don’t have what it takes to be willing to die for true freedom!
We are all prisoners
If Americans get genocided the primary reason will be their failure to properly identify the enemy. We know exactly who the enemy is but this article, which is very good, fails to state the name of the enemy. That is a choice, a political choice not to offend the Jews even though the Jews are the enemy of America, mankind, the earth, life itself.
This concept is well developed on thousands of blogs and discussed on hundreds of internet radio shows but barely mentioned in anything approaching mainstream. If you want to save your country, if you want to preserve traditional American values of prosperity for all, public libraries and schools, the rule of law equally applied to everyone, democratic values of one man one vote, non interference in foreign affairs, gun ownership, first amendment rights of free speech then you must address what the Jews have been doing to America.
Not the Bildebergers, not the freemasons, not the banksters, THE JEWS. If you can’t say the word Jew then you are severely misinformed or cowardly or treasonous like Alex Jones.
http://truthernews.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/10-reasons-why-alex-jones-should-be-tried-for-treason/
“8. Denial of Zionism The main job of Alex Jones is to convince people that Zionists do not own and operate the United States of America. That is why Jones has his audience chasing illusionary ghosts such as the New World Order, Illuminati, Skull & Bones, Elites, Luciferians, Eugenicists, Satanists, Bilderbergers, the Royal Family, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Rockefeller Family, the Rothschild Family, the Club of Rome, the World Bank, the United Nations, the Globalists, the Banksters, The FED, The Trilateral Commission, and even the Bohemian Grovers!”
How do we know its the Jews? Their holy books state explicitly that they intend to rule over us and exploit us and kill us “goyim”, a derogatory word they use to describe non Jews. And these same people hold the reigns of power, they are writing the legislation, they surround Obama, most of unconstitutional czars are Zionist or dual citizen Israelis.
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=407
We have their game plan, the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. We know who the Neocons are, dual Israeli citizens, we know that Rahm Emmanuel, son of an Irgun terrorist, served in the IDF. We know Israel was the primary player in 9112001, we know Israel attacked the USS Liberty and lied about it. We know that Jonathan Pollard spied for Israel, we know what Israeli prime ministers think about the USA:
“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” ~ Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, 2002
We know that the War of Terror only benefited Israel and defense companies owned or connected to Israel. We know that the Federal Reserve is run by Ben SHALOM Bernanke, that the FED has usurped the money of the USA. We know that the FED is a Jewish institution, that the FED is a privately owned bank specifically designed to appropriate the wealth of an industrial nation. We know they did this by removing the gold standard, issuing FRN’s, increasing debt-money thus causing inflation then changing the political situation internally during the deflation and depression.
The situation is far past voting for change, the situation is now at armed combat against the Jewish controlled state vs. the people. Only by the gun can the American people take back their government and remove Jews from power and control, that is a fact, revolutions are not won by protest. So let’s not worry about genocide but start talking about our strategy to gain control of our nation again.
Ever heard of Kent State? Jackson State?
The precedent has already been established.
Some soldiers might mutiny, but I doubt it will be enough.
Will American troops fire on American citizens if ordered to do so? Interesting question, it’s one thing for a soldier to be sent to a foreign nation such as Iraq or Afghanistan and be ordered to shoot foreign dark people with strange religions and dress, and quite another for a soldier to shoot mom and dad. Considering that more American soldiers have committed suicide than have been killed by any enemy in Afghanistan or Iraq, mostly because of a deep sense of moral guilt for what they have done, how many then will commit suicide after having been ordered to shoot American citizens? I would suspect, the suicide rate would be much greater for those Americans soldiers who shoot American citizens as compared to American soldiers who shoot strange looking foreigners in far-off lands. I would imagine it’s some point, instead of committing suicide, that the American soldier would refuse to obey the orders given him to shoot American citizens to matter what kind of indoctrination and training he received from the military.
They most certainly will, that’s why we the people, need to be armed.
@ Bill
“I believe that our troops would not likely be ready to commit suicide”
No? Suicides among soldiers this year have topped last year’s record-breaking numbers! Why is that , Bill? Could it be that the steroids, the Rx and Non-Rx drugs, the alcohol, the blood on their hands from the genocide against civilians of other countries, as “FREEDOM” is being spread because of their “heroic” efforts, whereas, in reality, the US troops are the “insurgents”. Could it be that it’s all too much for their brainwashed molded minds to take on, and so, the resulting psychosis, the guilt, the shame, the mental anguish for the crimes against humanity that they directly took part in, has set the stage for these staggering record statistics? Hmmm, Bill?
And where are these 80 million plus gun owners now? Silently waiting for “the right moment” to express their dissatisfaction for the current administration? To rise up in unison and march to the White House? Could it be they too are caught in a similar Groupthink box, waiting to hand their guns over at the slightest sign that their lives might be placed on the chopping block?
Actually, History does record that all races do turn on one or the other on many occasions. White against White, Black against Black, Native American against Native American and, the list goes on. So, is the U.S. Military any different from the Russian military when the Communist revolution took place in Russia? What about the German Military during the rise of Htler and Fascism?? Obviously, when Obama stated that perhaps the right to bare arms was meant for hunting, he was referring to how the American’s for the past generation turned their backs on the Declaration of Independence and the U.S Constitution by refusing to protect their National and Individual Sovereignty and Freedoms and how most American’s were led by lies and deceit through their laziness and lack of vigilance into financing and fighting wars of foreign wars of oppression instead of defending their own.. One should also note that, the Iron Curtain and the false proclamation that ‘Communism was dead’ did not take place until Communism it’self was planted, firmly rooted and when it became legal and self-generating in the U.S.. Do not believe the myth about the Elite fearing the Gun-owners. They don’t neccessarily need boots on the ground to take your guns. Dead gun-owners can’t fight so, their is no need to pry a gun out of a deceased person’s hand. As for my Canadian cousins to the north , fear not hehehe. Your in the same boat, as the U.S Military and Canadian Military can operate freely on either side of the border.
Doesn’t anyone remember Kent State? I was young and impressionable and in college. It certainly “impressed” me. James Michener wrote a book about it: Kent State: What Happened and Why. I read it….it was then that I KNEW we were in trouble.
According to the 29 Palms Military Base survey done in 1995, when army soldiers were asked if they would fire on Americans if ordered, 25 percent said yes. That means 75 percent said no.
Now, I DO agree that some groups of soldiers will fire on civilians: some black will shoot whites and vice versa, some Hispanics will shoot some grinogs, some Christians will shoot Muslims (can’t say for Jews since so few of them join the military). I DO agree that illegals will be (and are being) recruited and these illegals WILL shoot Americans. I also DO agree that when these soldiers are shot at by patriots they will shoot back, and groupthink is an issue. But much depends on the circumstances under which Americans will be ordered to shoot Americans. To merely claim that the Milgram experiment proves American soldiers will shoot on American civilians when the 29 Palms survey actually elicits soldiers in a survey where 75 percent say they would not shoot their fellow Americans if ordered is disingenuous. I know too many retired Marines and other military retirees that are quite ready right now to try to set things right.
I read a very enlightening book recently on the topic of psychopaths, where a group in Poland secretively studied their Soviet controllers. It claims up to 6% of the population could be psychopaths. Of 300M, that’s 18M psychopaths in the US? Ever taken one of those silly employment profiling tests asking if you would rather squash a bug or kill a cat (or some such)? In as gross a summary as possible, a psychopath sees no distinction and would theoretically just as soon kill a cat. Most of us would snicker at the choices and think ourselves more clever than our employer. For example, when filling out the forms for a police dispatcher job. We think we know the “right” answers but we may not know the employer’s preferred answers. You may want a certain number on the force who have no qualms about tasering a 10yo girl for throwing a tantrum. Or you may want one or two trusted persons who can pull a trigger. Most will stand-down but it only takes a couple/few shooters. All of the sheep will get in their pen. I think this is why we are allowed to see so much police brutality – it’s a psyop, population control. Now this insanity or clinical anomaly has to be off-set by rational balanced people who have to be angry enough to rationalize an equally brutal response. But once the passions get flowing and people turn to self-protection, the bullets will start flying. Would a civilized country come to that? Well, personally I wouldn’t have let 10,000 die just to keep the South from expressing their independence when economic influences sufficed. But as a nation we threw our boys into that hell willingly and with pride. Psychopaths wouldn’t hesitate – the emotional restraints aren’t there, just the goal. This is why they rise to the top, morality never stands in their way. And this is how they control the group because they can see how easily others are manipulated by their emotions. It’s easy to get a few patriots to defend the union if all that will take is to shoot some rowdies. “Peace” in a slave camp is still peace and isn’t that the important thing?
@DL
I would be willing to wager that the US soldiers coming out of boot camp today and over the last 5 or so years, are nothing like the troops that took the survey almost 20 years ago. A Whole New Killing Breed has been created.
The mind control techniques/tools (psychological, chemical) used today to ensure the US troops do as they are told, kill on command and kill anyone they are told to kill (men, women, children, animals) are being perfected now.
The results are so good, or bad now, depending on what side one is on, that once the trooper comes home and leaves the pack, many can’t handle the “pressure” (of their horrific past actions) and do themselves in, in record numbers. Or, they join the Militarized police departments (Swat teams) so they can justify “hurting” more (innocent) people while keeping that corresponding, chemical high on tap; stimulated by the rush of violent behavior, while doing what they were ordered to do.
Case in point, try expressing your free speech in a peaceful, large crowd. Twenty years ago you could. In many locations in America today, you can’t. When one lives in a Fascist State, somebody has to do the dirty work to keep people in line. They’re being trained overseas right now, to eventually take care of you and I.
Keeping Americans “in line” is the final destination of their triumphant military journey.
I’m sure many of the troops would fire on Americans. All you have to do is demonize the folks you want killed. In fact, look at the increasing incidents of police brutality and the “overzelus” use of tasers. Many of the cops are bullies and punks and may be psychopaths. When I was in the Navy (1965 – 1971) if I had been given a weapon and told that the protesters at, for instance, Kent State were anarchists and attempting to overthrow the government and I was told shoot to kill I believe I would have. The military uses other pressures like, you’ll be courtmarshalled for treason and sent to the brig for life. What an unpleasant thought, and some would just do it for the enjoyment of it , the psychopathic bastards
No, Dave, I don’t buy it.
First problem with your thesis is that it is collectivist thinking. American soldiers are individuals, not identical robots programmed by scientists. Some will fire on Americans, others won’t. And some who might at first fire on Americans, will reconsider and stop doing it.
The second problem is that military life is not a Milgram Experiment. It is a society. I know it’s hard to imagine, but soldiers and Marines and sailors talk among themselves, discuss things, decide what is right and what is not, just like other groups of people do. And the military establishment is no more competent than civilian government; their control over their troops has definite limits. Hell, the establishment is itself likely to rebel against Obama and the ruling class.
The third problem is that Americans who do end up being shot at are not going to stand there and take it like cattle; they will shoot back. This is the most heavily-armed society on Earth. Troops are going to find they are heavily outnumbered by (guess what?) former troops. They will have a strong disincentive – possible death to themselves – not to shoot.
The fourth and final problem with your article here is that it is defeatist. It IS possible to talk oneself into surrender before the fight even begins. In fact, that is just the sort of thing a government provocateur would do (not saying you are, but it should make you think a bit). History is not written in stone even before we experience it. Lots of things happen that are completely unexpected, all the time.
I consider the following description to be much more likely:
http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/what-i-saw-at-the-coup/
I recently left the US military and I would side with conservative Americans,my military friends would also side with conservative Americans,all of the ex military people i know feel the same way.If I were dropped into the inner city and was ordered to shoot ni66ers,white liberal trash and other assorted minorities,I wouldn’t hesitate.I took an oath to defend the US constitution and I will,I consider liberals to be enemys of freedom and the constitution.Given the fact that most legally armed Americans are conservatives and most of the people in the military are conservative,the government and liberals would have a very bad day if they thought they could get the military to turn on the civilian population of this country. If foreign troops were to try this,I think they wouldn’t last very long.Most of the American population is armed and would shoot back. I think the military will probably overthrow the government any day now and when they do,they will probably arrest all of the democrat office holders,a lot of the republican office holders,most of hollywood and the music industry and most of the so called journalists in the country,after sorting things out,they would return control to adult civilians.I would volunteer to work in the concentration camps where the liberals were being held so I could torture them for their treason against this once great country.
I only hope the results will be mitigated by the timeframe of this study. Wasn’t it conducted BEFORE the full horrors of WWII were widely known to the world? While people still believed in their governments and authority figures?
I do believe there are many more people now who are more self-aware and willing to exercise resistance than at the time of this study. Alas, that may still not be a number significant enough to change the outcome for the better.
OPPOSE THE EXPANDING POLICE STATE!
EVERY COP IN AMERICA NEEDS TO LISTEN TO MARK PASSIO, in the following video:
Mark Passio – Free Your Mind Conference 2011
U.S. Soldiers, COPS – To Protect & Serve the 1%
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvNabovREvg
EVERY COP IN AMERICA SHOULD READ THE FOLLOWING BOOK:
Operation Vampire Killer 2012
http://www.infowarsshop.com/Operation-Vampire-Killer-2012_p_688.html
EVERY COUNTY SHERIFF IN AMERICA NEEDS TO HAVE AND READ THE FOLLOWING BOOK:
The County Sheriff: America’s Last Hope
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In my state, working whites were kicked out of their own universities to make room for “minorities.” This is Orwellian double-speak. “Minorities” are 92% of the world’s population. Many of these “po’ suffering minorities” were Paris HIlton rich and stupid, while whites turned down were from single parent families in deprived areas.
Working whites in my area were also ethnically cleansed. Their jobs were given to “minorites” brought in as scab labor from foreign countries, mostly El Salvador and Mexico. Working whites were forced to join the military to survive. Many came back maimed if they came back at all.
If they complained about mistreatment, they were called xenophobic white trash and told to get back to their trailor park.
Its karma time. This is the demographic coming back from the military. Try to protest.
I agree 1000% with JACK BLACK.
We need to identify the enemy !!! Before we can take effective actions.
But do i wish ever so bad, that it was that easy. There is so much more to it. We also have
the underground pest of ancient hidden dinosaurs, who can shape shift, those reptiloids & their
slave grays creatures from hell, don’t forget. They are probably the ones who wrote the Zion’s
religious books & convinced those inbred humans that they are the “chosen ones” . ALso con-
sider that so many hybrids are walking the earth now, probably close to half the populations by
now, who have no soul or God-connection, therefore no conscience. The power those blue bloods, inbreds of elites, GMO compromised attained over the last centuries is so tremendous,
i think their ruler is Satan himself, so i want to clearly state here, SATAN rules this planet by
now & humans need to remember & recover their GOD given gifts = they do have a direct line
to God, all they have to do is ASK. This is the great difference from all those twisted DNA beings, who think they can eliminate mankind.
I am talking about multi dimensions involved, you sream for GOD’s help & higher dimensions
are right there for you, never forget that, practise it & see.
Nation–alize the media.
Oh– How the mighty have fallen. The USA was until recently the industrial, commercial and agricultural power house of the planet; it is now, an unpretty much bananaless Republic. The industrial base has been slaughtered, business corrupted, the air and land poisoned, and the American psyche has been contaminated and concussed beyond belief by media devils. Logical thought is virtually impossible under such a repressive tyranny, which masquerades itself as a democracy. The jew have done this to Washington, as they did to Babylon, Rome, Constantinople, Moscow, Vienna, Berlin, Baghdad and Tripoli. The wandering jew has no love of soil but yet they thrive in dirt. They will simply move onto greener pastures and do exactly the same thing to some other unsuspecting victim State. And leave the United States to die an agonising death in the process. Will Americans be reduced to internecine warfare, where lead bullets become more valuable than gold ingots. No–If American Patriots seize control of the jewish operated propaganda machine. Within days American Israeli dual citizens will become history. As it stands–Jewish American democracy is the worst that money can buy.
dude i think your full of crap! to take america from americans you will have to deal with 50 million hard core crazy armed americans,that will will fight a gorilla war to the end! then you have good cops ,real army,and oath keepers.plus battle hardend vets 20 million of them.
EDITOR’S NOTE: I hope I am full of crap and am wrong but that is not where the data is taking us. However, you might be correct, it might take 50 million armed Americans to take things back. I do not disagree with you
“it is a known fact that the military is programmed in boot camp to follow orders like a bunch of Pavlovian conditioned dogs who are well trained in the art of unquestionably carrying out the orders of their superiors without hesitation”
Truly spoken like someone who has NEVER worn the uniform. As a veteran of military service, I went through this supposed “brainwashing” in boot camp, however the version we got was that we were obligated to follow “ethical” orders. We were taught that the Nuremberg defense was NOT valid. The idea of the American military firing on their fellow citizens is sheer lunacy. Military members serve to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. Any officer suspected of violating this precept would likely be facing internal review, non-judicial punishment provided for with the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and depending on severity, may even be dishonorably discharged from service. You are a conspiracy theorist lunatic, and the level of confidence you display toward military members’ sense of integrity, honor, courage, and commitment is disgusting.
Well…I am not sure where to begin… Allow me to start by saying that I as an American Soldier will never take hostile action against my own people, I would rather die. In “Boot Camp,” in the Army it is called “Basic Combat Training,” we are taught the difference between a lawful order and an unlawful one. A sense of honor is instilled in us from Reception to the end of our Initial Entry Training. Killing fellow Americans goes against the Seven Army Values, the Soldier’s Creed, the Warrior Ethos, and everything that we believe in as Soldiers. I have recently been discussing this issue with many, many of my comrades and all of them immediately have given a response identical or similar to this-”What!??! No, of course not. I would be more likely to shoot the asshole giving that dumbass order!! Why would anyone even think such a thing?”- and when I told them that it has happened in the past and that there are those that fear we might do so they respond with something like this-”Well…I for one am not going to repeat the dumb shit that happened before my time. Dude there are actually people who believe that there are a significant number of us who are that f####@! brain-dead and f@%&@ up?”-when I inform them that their are they either walk away in disgust, or they say something like-”Don’t they realize that we are taught to think these days? Besides, CPT/LT.Col/CSM/1SG(pick your leadership rank) wouldn’t ever issue some dumb shit order like that.” Sometimes the conversation is over in minutes, sometimes hours, and sometimes it continues intermittently for days or weeks. Overall, we stand with True Patriots and we take our oaths very seriously, especially the part about “…all enemies, both foreign and domestic…” None of us see American Citizens as enemies and would sooner strip off our uniforms and stand alongside the Patriots than harm our own. I find the experiment cited here interesting and disturbing. I think that we should conduct a new version of this experiment, but this time with Soldiers and Marines. I would be a willing participant and I would be happy to find others to participate(I realize that my own participation may be scientifically compromised and that I would have to get others involved under a false pretense in order to protect the integrity of the experiment). Now, know that we are not mindless robots programmed to blindly follow orders and that all of us find the implication/statement of such falsehoods highly offensive, hurtful, mildly depressing, and a little disheartening. Please don’t accuse us of being so horrible, we are taught constantly that the “I was just following orders” excuse will not keep you out of trouble or severe punishment. Our ability as humans to recognize right from wrong is reinforced in modern training and every soldier knows that they are accountable for their actions no matter who told them what. We are not programmed robots, we are free-thinking patriotic Americans sworn to lay down our lives for the least of yours’-not take it-at a moments notice. The likely-hood of some terrible tribulations befalling the U.S.A. is something that weighs heavily on many Soldiers’ minds. Know that we will stand with the people, not tyranny.
-SOLA VIRTUS NOBILITAT, CURSUM PERFICIO
I agree with Hunter…American soldiers are not mindless robot idiots that our political offenders and oppressors hope the hell they are, and have by now figure out, as they are now labeling US Returning Veterans, our HERO’S as “Domestic Enemy Combatants” And have made special INTERNMENT Camps for them. LOOK This Up. Obama’s has hence made his own private Citizen army of mindless idiots working for the Department of Homeland Security aka DHS and has been defunding the US Military and funding and arming DHS To the FKN TEETH. As of 2013 OBama the man fraud put in place by the elite “jew zionist” (There is a difference in Jews of the bible, and these Satanic Jewish Zionist elders). Obama has furnished DHS now with nearly 2 BILLION Rounds of Ammo, mostly 40 Cal Hollow point which is allowed by the Geneva Convention as being used during wartime, but not for Obama to use on his (haha) own people, Americans. Obama was picked and groomed for his horribly socialistic ideology and known worship of Hitler and Stalin.
DHS has also been provided with 2 MIllion dollars worth of Paper Practice Targets to SHOOT at that are Armed American People provided them by LET INC. These American Targets are of young pregnant American Women, American Children, Grandma and Grandpa in RESIDENTIAL Settings….in other words in their homes and front yards. Now why do you suppose DHS Is PRACTICING SHOOTING AMERICAN PEOPLE as TARGETS? ASK OBAMA BARRY WHOEVER THE HELL HE REALLY IS AND HIS PALS BILL AYERS who wanted 20 to 50 MILLION AMERICANS DEAD—HE BOUGHT OBAMA AND MICHELLES HOME AND THIS IS WHERE HIS CAMPAIGN STARTED WITH SOME BIG BUCKS BACKING AND RIGGING HIS ASSURANCE IN OFFICE LIKE HENRY KISSINGER WAR CRIMINAL AND BUSH’S AND CLINTONS ALL TRAITORS TO AMERICA…SEE THEIR GROUP MEMBERSHIP LISTS AND PALS AND ASSOCIATES BACKING THEM AND THEIR EXECUTIVE ORDERS TO BUILD INTERNMENT CAMPS IN AMERICA FOR AMERICANS, DRONES TO TARGET AMERICANS IN AMERICA THE NEW BATTLEFIELD–NDAA AND CASKETS, AND MASS GRAVES AND GAS INCENERARIES. SAME AS HITLER AND STALIN DID BECAUSE IT WORKED. USING FALSE FLAG BS TO TRY TO CONVINCE AMERICANS TO DISARM BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH EASIER TO TAKE THE COUNTRY OVER THAT WAY.
LOok This ALL Up…. The US MIlitary and OAth Keepers being labeled by Lesbian TRaitor JANET NAPOLITANO of DHS making list of VETERANS…..and DEFUNDING THE US MILITARY TO FUND OBAMA’s SS BROWN SHIRTS AKA TSA AND DHS TO TAKE ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE…SEE WHAT THEY DO, WHAT LAWS THEY PASS AND NOT THE LIES THESE FKRS TELL ON TV TELEPROMPTERS…THE MAIN STREAM NEWS IS IN ON IT WITH THEM AS ROCKEFELLER THANKED THE WASHINGTON POST AND NY TIMES FOR KEEPING SECRET THEIR PLANS FOR FORTY YEARS…READ QUOTES OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER GLOBALIST THUGS. THESE ARE YOUR ENEMIES…ARREST THEIR SORRY ASSES.
READ ARTICLE; RETIRED ARMY CAPTAIN WARNS DHS ACQUISITION ARE BOLD THREAT OF WAR AGAINST AMERICAN PEOPLE.
WAKE UP , ARM UP AND PREPARE FOR A COUP WITHIN…FOREIGN AND UN VEHICLES AND TANKS ARE HIDING OUT ALL ACROSS AMERICA FOR THEIR NEXT FALSE FLAG, THEY THEMSELVES ARE CALLING FOR A NEW “PEARL HARBOR’….DOESN’T TAKE TOO MUCH TO PUT TOGETHER WHAT THEY HAVE PLANNED.
YOU CANNOT HAVE A ‘NEW’ WORLD ORDER UNTIL THESE THUGS DESTROY THE OLD====US! BE PREPARED AND NEVER EVER LAY DOWN YOUR ARMS.
LOCK AND LOAD AMERICA—-THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU
MTV COMMERCIALS—THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENED TO PEOPLE LIKE US
GEICO COMMERCIAL —THE BRITS ARE COMING….
BBC NEWS ‘CARTOON’ OPERATION BLACK JACK (21)
SEE AGENDA 21
WATCH YT VIDEOS= MASSIVE MILITARY BUILDUP INSIDE COUNTRY….TANKS BEING BROUGHT IN….UN VEHICLES BY THE THOUSANDS HIDING OUT ON VACANT AIRSTRIPS….WAKE UP AMERICA, ARM UP, LOCK AND LOAD…WE WILL HAVE TO DEFEND OURSELVES AND COUNTRY
SEE WHO DHS IS LABELING ‘TERRORIST’ AND KNOW THAT IT IS AMERICAN CITIZENS….