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Overhwelming False Flag Evidence- But Who Was Really Behind the Vegas Shooting?

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An indivdual, whom I have never discussed politics with before, told me that he was glad that the Vegas perpetrator of the shooting of approximately 600 people was dead. Then the individual said that man “was a killing machine”.  I tuned him out and just nodded in agreement. It was apparent to me that this man had a terminal case of cognitive dissonance and I wasn’t in the mood to hear his regurgitation of CNN, whom he loves. When he saw that I was tuning him out, he said “I suppose you have a conspiracy theory about this Vegas shooting.” I responded that indeed I did but I did not feel the need to correct his ignorance. He egged me on to present what I knew to be a conspiracy. He responded, “I suppose you think this is another 9/11”.  I said “No, this is another JFK assassination experience”. I broke down and told him what is in the following paragraphs.

The Vegas Shooting Analysis Must Avoid the JFK Assassination Pitfalls

John Kennedy was murdered in November of 1963. The Warren Commission concluded, in 1964, that Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots and struck JFK and the Texas Governor. Most of America believed the illogic of the Warren Report. However, in 1977, the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that “Oswald and one other shooter, unknown in their identity, killed John Kennedy”. The last report ordered the DOJ to investigate further. Forty-Four years later, we are still waiting for the investigation.

From 1977 to the end of the 20th century, the number of people who believed in a conspiracy grew to 90%. The topics of disputed evidence included “the timing problem, the magic bullet, the lack of marksmanship expertise by accused assassin, the missing JFK brain which was lost during the autopsy, and  Oswald’s association with Operation Mongoose which was turned into a JFK killing machine after they failed to successfully assassinate Fidel Castro.  Nearly all of the JFK conspiracy discussions centered around this forensic evidence. The public rarely ever speculated about who did it other than scant references to the CIA and the Mafia, both of which were incapable of carrying out the cover-up without the help of LBJ, Chief Justice Earl Warren and key members of Congress.

I once told the late Jim Marrs on the radio that I was bored with the endless discussion of the forensic evidence. The mainstream media kept us stuck on this point for decades and we never got to “who dun it”.

Oh yeah, before linking the JFK distractions to the Vegas shooting, I won’t tease you, this is who killed and JFK and why.  The primary shooter was a Corsican hitman Lucianne Sarti who shot JFK in the head from the grass knoll and he used a hollow point bullet and it blew JFK’s head apart. This is why the brain had to be lost. But Sarti was only one of 3 hit teams in Dealy Plaza, all consisting of foreign contract killers, who were connected to the Trafficante crime family, who were also deeply connected to the CIA, who in turn served the globalists. I have witnesses, on tape, that confirm every preceeding sentence. The hit was ordered by David Rockefeller. After JFK’s death, everything changed (eg nuclear arms race increased, the Vietnam War began in earnest, the Oil Depletion Allowance tax deduction was fully reinstated, JFK’s C-Notes were taken out of circulation and the NWO marched on and Rockefeller became even wealthier).

I felt it critical to bring up the parallels to JFK when discussing this last false flag. I am already seeing a pattern where America is again stuck on the forensic evidence. Yes, I know the event is only moving into the 4th day. However, the “gaps” in the official narrative are there for all to see, at least those who have eyes that want to see.

One time only, barring more important information, I will play the parlor game of looking at the forensic evidence.

Doesn’t Mandalay Bay Have Maid Service?

We are asked to believe the unbelievable. That this man, from the local town of Mesquite, had adjoining hotel rooms on the 32nd floor and over a period of several consecutive days, he stockpiled ammunition and at the latest count over 30 guns. How did he conceal the guns from hotel security and most importantly from the maids who should have been servicing his rooms (plural)?

My ignorant friend that I referenced in the first paragraph of this article answered this question in this manner “he just put the do not disturb sign on the door”.  That might work for one or two days, but several days? After several days wouldn’t the maids say something to their surpervisor that the man in the two adjoining rooms is refusing maid service. Shouldn’t that have triggered hotel security? And if the maids were in the rooms, where would the guns and ammunition been hidden? Remember, this is Vegas where security is trained to recognize and respond to threats because of the high stakes nature of the business.

Believing the Unbelievable

We are asked to believe that an out of shape and portly 64-year-old man managed to expertly lay down highly effective automatic weapons fire which ended the lives of  59 people while wounding nearly 600 innocent victim

Meanwhile the accused assassin fired off thousands of .223 rounds. these rounds were fired from 400 yards away and as a result would have been outside their effective range. In addition, as Mike Adams pointed out, no shell-casings were “magically cooled before they hit the carpet in the kill zone. Because if they were not magically cooled, they would have burnt holes in the carpet.

In fact, Mike goes on to say:

“This was accomplished, we’re told, by one man firing 10 rifles… wait, no, 27 rifles all by himself, without any military training whatsoever. This same man set up a James Bond spy camera in the hotel hallway to monitor police in an attempt to defend himself against the inevitable police assault, then he just changed his mind and shot himself the moment the cops showed up… all for no apparent reason.”

The media has not successfully answered the question of how the assassin moved the massive amounts of rifles and cumbersome and weighty ammunition boxes passed hotel security. This wasn’t just a hotel. This was a Vegas hotel in which the security are armed to the teeth and trained to see these kinds of events. Why? Because their have their gaming operations to defend. The fact that this much killing material was smuggled unnnoticed past trained security is not believable. Adding fuel to this fire is the idea that this man installed NSA style security cameras in the hall to get ready for the police assault and then he turns the event into a suicide mission? This is not believable either.

The Main Killing Weapon

I have spoken to several military types about the type of gun that was used in the killing. From listening to the tape, over half of the “experts” that I spoke with identified the gun they heard as a MG 60 with belt. I was told that the gun is very heavy and requires a belt. Only a very strong person could use this gun, shooting iwth one arm, while feeding the belt into the gun with the other arm. And we are asked to believe that this portly 64-year-old man accomplished this fee and fired the fun  with incredible accuracy?

Here is the gun in question:

All of these massive casualties couldn’t be caused by .223 rounds that we are being told that the assassin used according to the official narrative. Most likely, they were actually heavier rounds fired from something like a belt-fed MG 60 that I just identified. Regardless of the gun, I repeat, where are the shell-casings and their after effects?  had a couple sources tell me that in the unlikely event that .223 rounds were used, a target would have been struck every 2.3 seconds given the length of the event. All of this from a man with no military training who was also an overweight senior citizen.

Congressman Trey Gowdy Speaks Out

Congressman Trey Gowdy was interviewed on Fox News and he expressed his lack of belief in the official narrative quite clearly. Gowdy said he did not see anyway that an event of this precise planning could be carried out by one person. And I would add to the Gowdy said, one person with no military training.

The Grassy Knoll on the 4th Floor

Scott Bennett posted a video on youtube that was taken down by Google which showed muzzle flashes on, or near the 4th, and as the “timing problem” would indicate, multiple shooters would be needed to have carried out this crime.

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The Lone Nut Gunman

  1. JFK- Lee Harvey Oswald
  2. Martin Luther King Jr.- James Earl Ray
  3. Bobby Kennedy- Sirhan Sirhan
  4. Trump Supporters at C &W Concert         REALLY YOU ARE GOING TO FALL FOR THIS WORN OUT NARRATIVE AGAIN?

The Warning

From Agenda 21 Radio:

“A LAS VEGAS shooting witness was reportedly warned that everyone at the Route 91 music festival was “going to die” 45 minutes before the attack near the Mandalay Bay hotel.”

The Perp’s Girlfriend

Paul Preston has received information that the perp’s girlfriend is associated with Antifa in Australia. This is a lead worth pursuing. I could go on and on, but you get the idea, we know this was a false flag. Can we get on to who was really behind this?

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  1. bigo October 4, 2017 at 5:42 am

    I agree the thing is some kind of false flag/psyop. But I don’t see the overwhelming evidence.

  2. William Townsend October 4, 2017 at 5:51 am

    This article by Mike adams and reinforced with Dave’s astute analysis makes perfect sense to me. MSM reluctance to tackle this evidence sends up a HUGE red flag.

  3. Gary Small October 4, 2017 at 5:59 am

    Check out Jim Murren,

  4. Just another reader October 4, 2017 at 6:00 am

    Dave, Mandalay Bay hotel = CIA. Vegas is CIA land. The powers that run Vegas are CIA. all in on it.

  5. James Stamulis October 4, 2017 at 6:03 am

    I agree this whole thing does not pass the smell test in fact it reeks of horse manure.

  6. Knobster October 4, 2017 at 6:03 am

    This whole thing stinks of a false flag. In talking with my Army vet brother, he too, concluded that this was a belt-fed machine gun. No way a “bump-fire” AR-15 could have caused this much death and injury. Unfortunately, we’ll never know the truth of what happened.

  7. ronn October 4, 2017 at 6:12 am

    Dave….the shots heard were twofold. 1. there were distinct cracks from one weapons reports and the other had a muted sound similar to a belt fed gun running on full auto with a sound suppressor. When I was in Vietnam I became very familiar with silencers and sound suppressors which are not alike in any way. The concept of the sound suppressor is to extend and slightly muffle the sounds of the guns report. By doing this it is hard to determine location as to the origin of the shots. Example: take a 22LR and fire it. Listen to its report. It sounds more like a sizzle that a crack. You can use full power loads with a suppressor and still at least for a few precious seconds confuse the location of your shots so as to let you have time to sneak away. 2. A silencer must be used with subsonic ammo. At four hundred yards the bullets would be ineffectual against the human body to create massive mortal words. Silencers are used for up close and personal whereas suppressors are use for long distance killing. This has the hallmarks of a very well planned out massacre and that the shooter was in his room by himself doing the shooting; well, I think there is more to this story than meets the eye. Just like kennedy, anyone who thinks a 6.5 Carcano round is going to blow half his head off and eviserate all his bodily fluids is so far off base they might as well be shooting from Mars. The Kennedy head shot was done with a hypersonic round, a la 25/06 .243, or 22/250 class of ammo. Smarten up people we are be played for gun control…..enuf said…..you know the roll call

  8. old bat October 4, 2017 at 6:18 am

    hi dave, i can’t locate the article i wanted to comment on. the one about the gunfire from the lower level. i saw the video and downloaded it. so a couple questions: was that window broken out? if not, do they open? also the vid can be analyzed to see if the “muzzle fire” matches up with the number of gunshots. and if they are consistently the same difference apart as speed of light is faster than speed of sound and this guy in the vid is not close, so they wont match up to us watching the vid. it is being said it is a strobe light (or maybe a disco ball type thingy?). and need to find a daylight pic of the windows of that area.

  9. old bat October 4, 2017 at 6:19 am

    *making the vid, not in the vid.

  10. old bat October 4, 2017 at 6:23 am

    when i heard the shots in the above video, i too thought it was a belt gun. i am not any kind of a wpns expert at all, but having watched ww2 movies, it seems to me the belt kind have a lower pitch sound? it sounded more like those ww2 type ones rather than a higher pitch you usually hear when you watch vids of people shooting the ak47 type.

  11. Falcon101 October 4, 2017 at 6:28 am

    Something that nobody is mentioning with this attack is that the gunfire seems to be very coordinated as all gunfire stops at the same time and then starts again as if they are in radio contact with each other during this attack. There is no way this is a “Lone Wolf” attack!
    In all the videos I have watched there is a professional coordination between the shooters and the gunfire is DEFINITELY coming from multiple locations simultaneously and I see very few who are trying to locate where the fire is actually coming from.
    This is a professionally done attack and NOT some random event from some disgruntled person…..

  12. old bat October 4, 2017 at 6:29 am

    maid service. we just returned from a trip and had the do not disturb sign on the door for 3 days. we dont want strangers in our room and using the sheets for several days is just fine for us. if we had needed them, i would have gotten more towels at the front desk. so yes, you can go several days with no service with no problem. i think we have gone longer even, just getting towels at the desk.

  13. old bat October 4, 2017 at 6:32 am

    he could have gotten the guns in via a golf bag. take the dolly to the car and load it up. you can pull a LOT of weight on one of those. so as long as there was no uphill section from the lot to the hotel, he could do it. it is all elevator from there. and he could have done a trip a day to get all the guns in. lots of golfers, so no suspicion there. i still want to see hotel video of him arriving/in the halls, elevator, tho.

  14. RA October 4, 2017 at 6:38 am

    I have seen you tube videos and heard the comments about the 4th floor. Playing devils advocate here. If there was a shooter on the 4th floor how come the windows are still intact? Or at least no one has a close up photo of a possible spider hole. Do those windows open?

  15. Martin October 4, 2017 at 6:52 am

    Dave, multiple shooters can be easily proved.

    The Autopsy will show the angle of the path the bullet traveled. A bullet coming from 170 degrees will leave a different path than the bullet from a 4th floor shooter at about 70 degrees of angle through the body..

    Spread this around the Internet and strongly suggest that the victims relatives have their relative have a private autopsy. The Feds lone shooter case will fall apart when you stir up the victims relatives. As soon as the private autopsy’s start we may see forced cremations. All it takes is one relative to post an autopsy on the Internet and the shooters agencies will panic.

    Having viewed 1 or more gun flash videos I am confident the all feds and the sheriff and the media are lying covering each other up.
    The media’s late hour response time shows advance knowledge.

    Be of good cheer brother. This too shall pass.

  16. Steve October 4, 2017 at 7:23 am

    One thing which also bothers me, you cannot have 40+ weapons without having a ‘gun buddy’. Where did he learn about using the deadliest weapons possible and tactics and be 64. And the best color picture they have, he is a drunk. There has to be others involved.

  17. glenn Jacobs October 4, 2017 at 8:06 am

    How about a hoax? Like Sandy Hook?

    How much would it cost to hire actors to play ambulance people and wounded passers-by?

    Has anyone checked the local hospital, morgue, ambulance company for a big rush on bullet wounds?

  18. Cody October 4, 2017 at 8:26 am

    Multiple shooters had multiple types of weapons! Supressed weapons were used inside the venue from gate 4….listen to the police radio and listen to where the gunfire is coming from. Level 10 and inside the arena had gunfire simultaneously!!!! Listen to where the shots are coming from!!!! Some had no “crack” because they were from a supressed weapon!!!! Some shots were obviously from a belt fed!!!! Some were from flash supressed and some were from sound supressed!!!!

  19. Dave October 4, 2017 at 8:29 am

    Another Jewish 9/11!
    And all the sheeple will believe the lies!

  20. Stan October 4, 2017 at 8:43 am

    The problem with the 4th floor shooting is that those flashes could be anything. Alarms, Night Club Strobes and the windows were still intact. I definitely think there is more to the story but the 4th floor Conspiracy holds absolutely no weight to me.

  21. danmorgan October 4, 2017 at 8:48 am

    all the maids are in the closet dead the fbi just hasn’t found them yet give them time, about a week they find them!

  22. J Gibbs, PhD October 4, 2017 at 8:48 am

    Over 50 years, we’ve been to Vegas many times and in many other hotels all across the nation and globe, and it is not uncommon for us to request maid service on a weekly basis. When we place the Do Not Disturb sign on the door, NOT ONCE has anyone entered without permission.

    The “23” not 30 weapons were brought in with 10 various sized suitcases, and having traveled for many hunting trips and military, I and other peers have brought numerous weapons into hotels without any problems. I have disassembled numerous AR’s, long hunting rifles, etc, etc and transported them into hotels inside various luggage without incident. No big deal nor task.

    For arguments sake, IF the maid came in, the luggage could just as easily been left in the closet, and often, sitting in the corner without anyone being the wiser. In a higher end hotel/room, I have never had anyone open nor search any of my belongings.

    You are making a mountain out of nothing, but that has been your M.O. for quite sometime.

  23. Johnnybee October 4, 2017 at 8:57 am

    This by far is the sloppiest false flag I ever seen or heard of. It must have been put together in a hurry or by a complete idiot or someone who knows absolutely nothing about guns, military tactics and planning. Whoever picked this idiot to do the shooting must be a pitiful pathetic buffoon. The man was never in the military and according to his brother on live TV who said quote, my brother knew nothing about guns, he wasn’t a gun guy end of quote. The pictures of some of the rifles I seen all had scopes on them. If this idiot knew nothing about guns how then did he know how to use the scopes to compensate for bullet drop and windage at a given range? .And how did he know just how far to shoot? Did he use a GPS to measure the distance or a range finder and set his scopes accordingly? And according to the reports their was all different types of weapons of different calibers using different types of ammunition which all acts differently from manufacturer to manufacturer. One picture showed an M4 22LR.

    And anybody with tactical knowledge knows that you don’t use a assault rifle that was made for close range shooting to s shoot targets at far distances. And how did this out of shape senior citizen carry 30 rifles and all that ammunition into the hotel in the first place without being seen? If he didn’t bring the weapons and ammo into the hotel then he had to have an accomplice.Which then makes this a f#*/*ing conspiracy. I could go on and on but I just would be spinning my wheels. This is all just more bullshit from out illustrious government.

  24. Jim Johnson October 4, 2017 at 8:59 am

    The lone gunman scenario reminds me of the Charlie Brown annual story. Every fall, Lucy would hold a football and Charlie would attempt to kick it. Every year Lucy would pull the ball away at the last second and Charlie would fall flat. Each fall, Lucy would pull the ball away in the same matter after assuring Charlie that this time would be different: Charlie could trust her. And each time Carlie trusted her he fell flat on his rear. The American public is told, we may have been wrong about the lone assassin in the past, but this time we are telling the truth. And the American public again falls flat on their behind. And I think, how could Charlie Brown be so stupid–because he thought other people were just as nice as he was.

  25. Dan Benson October 4, 2017 at 9:11 am

    Where is the broken window on the 4th floor?
    Two shooting positions two broken windows; two shooters. 2nd shooter his handler and fled knowing police are coming?
    Profile of mass murder? Yes, sadistic, lack of empathy, mental issues, love of lots and lots of guns, lone life style, yes killed himself; suicidal. Only thing missing? trigger event. Was it the election? Antifada and or Islams claim of a convert? And or a pure Manchurian Candidate.
    Paddock was a big spender with special class guest privileges. Suitcases 10 of em.
    Most casino security focuses on the tables.
    Been in a casino hotel for 4 days and just refused service, I’ve done it.
    Ya know sometimes evil people do really evil things and they don’t need the Govt help.
    One thing I’v learned in 25 years as a cop; people are capable of anything; I mean anything.
    Clearly he did not act alone, clearly there was a second shooter and clearly he was motivated by his mental state and politics influence by Islam and or antifada. Every time they claim responsibility they were correct despite what the FBI says.
    Clearly a terror attack by Islam agent. They said they would target Las Vegas and struck at a Country Music Concert, emblem of conservative right America.
    Despite what the Govt ends up saying the facts almost always come out; we shall see.

  26. Jeff October 4, 2017 at 9:22 am

    This is the EXACT SAME narrative as the JFK assassination….the lone gunman way up high in a building across the street from the victim with no prior security issues and no military weapons training. The Deep State has really shoved this in our face. Why not, just like your friend, most American’s are too stupid to search for the truth!

  27. old bat October 4, 2017 at 9:45 am

    she is filming at the bellagio, which is no where near mandalay:

    https://www.facebook.com/rseidenfeld/videos/vb.1381966986/10210848093023337/?type=2&theater

  28. musivick October 4, 2017 at 9:46 am

    false flag frenzy… the 64 y.o. got devastating health news that he had 6 months to live…he took a bunch of party animals with him…. there was NO black Ops Snuff Team involved, with that guy as the patsy, set up as a Anarchist radical

  29. old bat October 4, 2017 at 9:48 am

    and i think i heard that tropicana had gunshots, too? it is near mandalay so may have been same.

  30. Curt October 4, 2017 at 9:54 am

    Ya know, the very first thing I thought to myself when watching the video the next day, is that it sounded more like an AK 5.45 rather than an AR 5.56. The sound was too deep, rather than sharp.

    Also, for a guy who wasn’t a “gun nut”, firing from the 32nd floor, at night, at a long distance… he sure as hell knew a lot about ballistics. Gunners will know WTH I am talking about.

    Also, while everyone wants to poo-poo the lower floor “strobe light”, it sure as hell is odd, after spraying over a thousand rounds, you can not see any evidence whatsoever of gun-flash from the 32nd floor. He sure as hell wasn’t shooting from the back of the room on the 32nd floor due to hight/distance and angle/trajectory. He was shooting directly from the window, back-dropped by the curtain… where in the heck is the flash? Even just a little bit.

  31. Jerry Johnson October 4, 2017 at 10:01 am

    Dave: This comment is not about this article, but I was just thinking about the complaints from the left regarding the family of the President having jobs in the White House. I don’t recall all those years ago when Hitlary had a whole wing of the White House with her rather large staff as I recall. I wonder how many people she had on ‘her staff’ that the US taxpayer was footing the bill for. How many did she have and how much would that cost in today’s $$$. After all she was not elected it was her husband who was. Just a thought, Dave.

  32. old bat October 4, 2017 at 10:03 am
  33. old bat October 4, 2017 at 10:05 am
  34. Mary October 4, 2017 at 10:44 am

    Dave, did you see the videos of his “brother” making comments?? If that doesn’t convince a person that the narrative is BS, nothing will.

  35. Andrew James October 4, 2017 at 11:01 am

    Q. How do you eat an elephant ?
    A. One bite at a time..
    I believe these false flag events will continue so to eat away at the Bill of Rights.

  36. John October 4, 2017 at 12:00 pm

    My guess is the M240 belt fed .308. Replacement for the older M60. May have also used the M249 (SAW) in 5.56mm. Nobody I know believes this BS. Trump is completely co-opted and will never be allowed to know the truth. It is hard for me to believe anybody that isn’t part of this conspiracy could believe this “story”.

  37. irateCitizen October 4, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    This recent massacre is outrageous!

    Evil always has the upper hand. Evil masquerades as “the law!”

  38. Alicia October 4, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    Hi Dave,
    First thank you for all that you do and God bless you. Second, would it have been possible for this “lone gunman” to have lugged his arsenal up on several carts provided by the hotel? Supposing the hotel staff insisted on helping him to his room, could he have used the “I’m a traveling salesman” line and convinced the staff that he simply had his goods with him?

  39. Avery Mann October 4, 2017 at 12:32 pm

    People still believe the Sandy Hoax “event” and planes hit and felled the twin towers, etc,etc., so this has to go on for years before a lot of them will wake up and know (or want to know) the truth. Just read about the Pearl Harbor false-flag scenario and am now thinking about what the gov’t is doing to the N. Koreans with their sanctions, taunts, etc..I guess a nuke on Guam or the US, or a EMP attack will be blamed on the N. Koreans to start the war with them. Doesn’t seem so strange now that I read the Pearl Harbor story about how FDR knew about the upcoming attack, etc…….The oil cartels, military/industrial complex sure made money on that fraud at the cost of many thousands of American lives. But, they care NOT.

  40. Maurice October 4, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    Dave he filmed himself doing the deed

  41. Sine Nomine October 4, 2017 at 1:11 pm

    I agree this is not what it seems, but want to correct something. 400 yards is well within the lethal range of the 5.56/.223 ammo (lethal range 600 meters+). If you mean “effective” range (being able to hit what you aim at), 400 yards is streching it. Not much aiming needed at dense target with automatic fire though. I have also seen the video with flashes on the 4th floor, but where is the broken window to fire through? Again, I don’t believe a non military person pulled this off alone…but they put out info that can easily be debunked to make us look bad…..

  42. david October 4, 2017 at 1:45 pm

    Up until now Dave I have thought these mass shootings were perpetrated to repeal the second amendment and then take our guns away. I don’t think that is the true motive anymore because it doesn’t and never will work. I don’t know what the motive could be….do you?

  43. benny w wallace October 4, 2017 at 3:04 pm

    You make a few good points, and there are many inconsistencies, as there in the early stages of any major homicide investigation, but you’re way off base on some things. In one of the first press conferences given by the Las Vegas sheriff, he stated that one of the shooters guns was an AR10/308 cal semi auto with a bump stock which could in theory give a cyclic rate of over 500 rpm. The 308/7.62mm is the same round used by the M60(not MG60). Secondly, I don’t know where you got the info that 400 yards is out of the “effective range” of the 223 round. While the slugs would be slowing down and might not have a lot of penetrating power against solid objects, they would absolutely and with certainty penetrate a human body! And a 223 caliber round hitting a human often if not always causes more damage than a heavier and much more stable 308. As far as a heavier round being used in a 223, many AR platform guns do not have the rifling needed to stabilize heavier bullets, causing the projectile to be inherently unstable and leading to tumbling and “massive wounds.” While accuracy suffers, when you’re flock shooting a crowd, who gives a s–t about accuracy? And the cases melting into the carpet? I’ve fired thousands of rounds of 223 from inside vehicles and from carpeted shooting platforms and while the cases are hot when they eject, I’ve never seen one “melt” into a seat or a carpet or rug. At most, they “MIGHT” stick to nylon. I’m as distrustful of “official narratives” as anyone, but I also try hard to disseminate factual information!

  44. Stewart October 4, 2017 at 3:08 pm

    Dave

    While i agree that there is a lot more to this than what we’re being told, I have a few things to submit regarding your above comments. Before going into detail I have extensive experience with AR15 weaponry, silencers, high capacity magazines, night vision etc. I own all of the above.

    I recently went on vacation and due to carrying a couple of guns for personal protection I did not get maid service the entire 7 nights we were there. I preferred not to have my property stolen and hey never once asked any questions. I’ve done this on every trip I’ve taken including to Vegas.

    While 5.56mm / .223 shell casing get hot, they are not hot enough to burn carpet. I know this first hand.

    The effective range of an AR15 with a 16 inch barrel using even the average 55g round is 600 yards. The energy at that range is about that of a 380 at point blank range. Bullet drop and wind must be accounted for but the round is lethal at that distance. Inside of 400 yards no problem.

    I do not think this man had the capability to do this. It’s very likely there were multiple shooters. I also believe he could have gotten multiple weapons and ammo into the room. In fact I know he could have.

    I agree we are dealing with a conspiracy and this is not as it seems. However we need to make sure we stick to the facts on certain things. Otherwise our credibility is gone

  45. Stewart October 4, 2017 at 4:07 pm

    To add credibility to the conspiracy I own a slide fire and I can tell you with 100% certainty that it doesn’t work when aiming down. The recoil is required to reset the trigger. It will not work aiming down at even a slight angle

  46. LW October 4, 2017 at 5:13 pm

    Dave:

    The FBI said that they found 12 spent 30 round capacity magazines in the shooters room. That adds up to 360 rounds total. At that distance and height it would take 5 rounds to record one hit. Which would require 100×30 round magazines to wound 527 people and kill 59. The shooter out of shape and with no military background did this, BS. The mathematics do not add up. It would require at least 3 shooters to accomplish this feat. The AR15 is beyond the maximum range and so I agree with you they used a heavier weapon.

  47. Nick October 4, 2017 at 5:19 pm

    There are some parts of this article that could be explained away, but its pointless.

    What I would like to know from the author, or anyone else is whether they’ve heard this story?

    http://www.restoretherepublic.org/sf-forum/noteworthy-topics-1/las-vegas-bellagio-hotel-guests-and-staff-confirm-multiple-shooters/

    Real, fake, whatever?

  48. Ron October 4, 2017 at 5:36 pm

    I haven’t been able to comment about the video with the flashes coming from the fourth floor, but where is the broken glass to shoot through there? Also, having fired a LOT of ammo through M-60’s and from Huey’s I can tell you that the -60 has a hell of a muzzle flash. More than the video from the fourth floor. I agree on most of the other items though.

  49. Peter McMillan October 4, 2017 at 5:57 pm

    Some reports stated he also used AK-47(s). The 7.62×39 drops 2 feet at 200 yards, 3+ feet at 350 yards and 5 feet at 400 yards. Granted he was elevated and shooting at an open area/crowd but the point is he would have to be of mind to know to shoot directly out in frint of him for that calibre to work at that distance. Most untrained people shoot directly at the target not thinking of windage an elevation. At that rate of fire he had no contol of thiose dozen or more firearms he allegedly used. I have fired 9mm submachine guns with 35rd clips on full auto. You simply lose control over point if aim. And that is a pistol round vs the rifle rds allegedly used. And as you pointed out the AR-15 5.56 is effective out to 300 yards. The staccato is telltale of a medium belt fed machine gun(s). And who si to say the bullts were not flying from multiple directions? The hotel may be nothinh more then a modern day Dallas book repository. Certainly forensics can compare the funfire to specific weapons. I had to turn off the MSM when they started with the “descent into insanity meme”. Keep up the good work. Keep digging and never five up the fight for truth, freedom and our Nation.

  50. Stan October 4, 2017 at 11:15 pm

    Important points Just to clarify: the so-called “muzzle flashes” on the 4th floor have been pretty well identified as a strobe light; which makes sense, because that window was not broken, to have been capable of being shot from.

    But everything else definitely needs to be investigated. And not by the possible perps themselves. Think a Gladio-style op.

  51. Joe October 5, 2017 at 3:34 am

    Check out Jim Murrens ‘ties’ to terrorist groups

  52. Steve ONeal October 5, 2017 at 3:37 am

    Several of us also immediately identified the “JFK” event signature, and joked about another Warren Commission. Maybe we can call it the “Clinton Commission,” since Hillary is so eager to call for gun control (instead of offering consolation for the families of those killed). What a worthless NWO meter maid she is, and how horrifying it is to realise that we have a nation quite populated with brainwashed stiffs who won’t notice such a detail- cognitive dissonance to the nth power, except that it is not cognitive at all. Aside from trained ears, a precise audio analysis would quickly reveal the make and numbers of weapons being fired. This would especially be effective if more than one audio track is examined, and some information about location. Not sure about the maid service, but a direct investigation into the specific hotel procedures and staff during the last week would certainly be of value, if candid discussions are still possible. Of course, a background investigation into the “maids” and other staff might be revealing.

  53. Mike October 5, 2017 at 4:21 am

    Dave, I am sooooo sick of the people who buy into the mainstream media garbage. All of the ones i talk with are soooo ignorant. It was certainly high caliber machine gun(s) and the m60 is the perfect weapon as I said from day one. And a 64 year old man could handle this easily, however there positively was more than one shooter and I do not believe Paddock was one of them. I believe he was a patsy used by the agency to run guns and his usefulness served its purpose. perhaps Paddock was a undercover fed, killed in an entrapment scenario? Who in the hotel was paid to look the other way as the guns rolled in? The cameras were setup to entrap someone. The next room had feds ready to spring on the perps, who got away. Thus the cameras. Entrapment gone bad, or planned by the feds and cia.

  54. GURN BLANCHTON October 5, 2017 at 4:23 am

    PJW has a video showing the flashing on the 4th floor was doing that BEFORE the shooting started. Also, many people say the lower windows don’t slide open, as was speculated.

  55. George C, October 5, 2017 at 5:13 am

    No ballistics report? Rounds picked up from the ground and those removed from victims, dead and alive, can be easily analyzed and determined the size and caliber of the bullet and even the guns they were fired from. Just match the bullets to the guns found in the room. This would end all the speculation about kinds of guns and bullets used and provide indisputable facts instead of speculation. Isn’t that SOP in all shooting crimes??? There must be bullets lying all over the ground to be easily retrieved.

  56. Stan522 October 5, 2017 at 5:21 am

    Dave, here’s your 4th Floor evidence….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfcJ82E3uxI

  57. Chet S. October 5, 2017 at 6:23 am

    A basic combat tactic is to use the principle of triangulation. Set up 2 fire teams a good distance apart (30 ft. or more) and fire into the same target area to get effective destruction of a target. The window spacing does exactly that, with two persons firing into the crowd simultaneously. Can you imagine this man shooting from one window, trucking 25 – 30 feet to the other window, firing off a mag, and then running to the other window and doing it all over again? Why? If you are alone, why not have all the guns and ammo at one window and conserve your energy for greater effect and putting more rounds into the target area instead of a 10 – 15 second gap. I don’t buy the arguments some of you put forth that a “flabby, 64 year old man” couldn’t do this. I am a slightly overweight (10-15 lbs.), 68 year old man and I have no doubts I could get the guns and ammo into the room in four days, and carry out the attack. Another thing I find unbelievable about the official narrative is that he planned to get away instead of committing suicide. I am assuming he was a fairly intelligent man, given his background. Why would he be wearing loafers if he was planning a getaway? If you are seriously planning an escape, you wear lace-up ankle length or higher boots. Why take the chance of a loafer slipping off at a dead run? And something about the angle of his feet/ankles does not look normal to me. Dead people’s muscles tend to relax, which would put his feet at 90 deg. angle to his legs. Unless…he was garroted and strung up to die. Just my observations

  58. Larry October 5, 2017 at 6:37 am

    One thing I think about when talking about multiple caliber rifles being used and MSM showing only pictures of 556 AR platforms in the Hotel room is wouldn’t some of the rounds at that distance be stopped and contained inside the victims bodies. Will the Medical professionals or victims family be able to read in autopsy of the caliber of bullet found?

  59. MR Phelps October 5, 2017 at 6:41 am

    ! We have no confirmation (like Sandy Hook) that there was really 500 plus injured. They started out with 250!
    2 It would be easy for NSA or CIA to befriend the Patsy. Do a background check, kill him and set the scene!
    3 These Hall camera, where were they being monitored from?
    4 Absence of bullet casings.
    5 Why would the original information was 10 guns in the room, then change to 27?
    6 Why would anybody lug all that to their room whey wouldn’t be able to use?

    SLOPPY FALSE FLAG

  60. MJS October 5, 2017 at 7:04 am

    As far as maid service goes-yes you can probably go your entire stay without having it. The way to verify that fact is check the logs.
    When he made reservation or checked in,did he request no maid service? That would be in hotels computer system somewhere.
    Even if not,if he put the Do Not Disturb sign out,the maids would record that as they all have electronic organizers for the floors and rooms they are assigned,to make sure they are doing the work. They would note they could not clean the room because of the sign or if

    they tried to enter the room but the deadbolt was locked from inside. Should be easy enough to check.Of course the hotel could simply
    cover-up or change results in their computer system to reflect whatever outcome they desire. Another thing-did he request extra key cards or just the standard 1 or 2? But heck,any good hacker can always forge one or somehow bypass it. Someone made a good point about families doing private autopsies.This could determine what type of ammo caused the wounds,angle of entry,exit,etc. will be interesting to see if any do this or are discouraged or threatened not to. Another thing-I wonder how soon the Lawsuits are going to start flying! You know probably 1 of the first 5 calls made by Mandalay Bay Execs. was to their attorneys asking how they can cover
    their ass! And of course lawyers will come out of the woodwork now seeking to represent victims families-We can sue the Hotel,Concert
    promoters,the City of LV,etc.,etc. A real shame! We need to find out what the real agenda is behind this attack! Time will tell.

  61. Kath October 5, 2017 at 7:13 am

    Professional false flag hit.

  62. Debra October 5, 2017 at 8:07 am

    In regard to maid service: I worked in the hotel industry for years and know for a fact that housekeeping has a daily form used to show which rooms were cleaned and which were not. They would have a comment section that says why i.e. “Do Not Disturb” sign, or request for no maid service. Also it was brought to my attention that George Soros’ best friend owns the Mandalay Hotel in Vegas.

  63. ShadowMan October 5, 2017 at 10:10 am

    We simply don’t know enough yet and the police are still investigating. They’ve released some info and I’m sure they are keeping some info from the public until they finish the investigation. Everything in Vegas is on camera so they’ll have tons of video of this guy they are reviewing. Since he was an avid gambler I’m sure he knew how to avoid some of the cameras but not all, it’s not possible, they video everything and it is unavoidable.
    I’m not ruling out a second shooter but a .223 is an effective weapon to 400 yards and beyond, especially from a high firing angle. I don’t buy the M-60 theory, it’s a two man gun, unless you are Rambo, and the injuries would have been much worse. Plus it’s a very loud gun, you would know exactly where it’s firing from even with a suppressor, and the muzzle flash at night would be extremely bright. I could see it being a SAW but not an M-60.
    He was on Valium so his motives are questionable at best. Could be a nut or could be a patsy.
    I’m more curious on his training, who taught him to break out a safety window with a specialized tool? Who taught him how to aim & shoot at 400 yards? Even on full auto hitting anything at that range isn’t easy and from a higher vantage point you still need to account for bullet drop, so who taught him that? Who taught him to shoot the variety of weapons he had?
    I’m not buying the girlfriend’s story either, you don’t buy guns for months and your girlfriend doesn’t suspect anything.
    Bullet trajectories need to be calculated and autopsies need done to determine where the shots came from. the bullet fragments need to be gathered up, weights calculated and compared to the shell casings. All evidence needs to be looked at.
    Hotel windows in Vegas may or may not open depending on the hotel, since the “known” shooter broke out windows I’ll assume they do not. Most don’t open more than a few inches anyways, unless the hotel has balconies, which Mandalay does not, in order to prevent jumpers.
    I’m not convinced by the flashes on the 4th floor window, looks like a strobe light to me, not a muzzle flash and yes I know the difference.
    Too many questions and way to early to speculate on him being a lone wolf or not. Even the sheriff out there is skeptical on him being a lone wolf. Gather the evidence and follow the investigate, question the results of course but we need more to go on.

  64. Malcolm Rudd October 5, 2017 at 11:20 am

    People fail to realize all these mast shooting is by design. What I mean by this if you look and the Leftist, Socialist, Communist and the United Nations agenda is to disarm the American citizens. The first thing that happens is gun confiscation under a disarmament program. If you look at a old Department of the State Publication 7277, Disarmament Series 5, Released in September 1961, by the office of Public Services, Bureau of Public Affairs. This document has the UN’s hands all over it. These mast shooting just aren’t happening out of the clear blue yonder, they’re all be design coming from the Deep State or the New World Order or both. History speaks for itself. What was the first thing that took place with Hitler, Mussolini, and other dictators and that was gun confiscation. Look at Saul Alinsky’s 12 Rules for Radicals plus Cloward & Pivens Strategy and their “Eight Levels of Control” specially Level 4, GUN CONTROL; Remove the ability to defend themselves from the “Government”. That way you are able to create a “Police State.

    People this goes much deeper that you realize. If you would do your research into Saul Alinsky’s book “Rules for Radicals” and study Cloward and Piven Strategies for political change through a “Orchestrated Crisis” them you would really understand what is taking place right in front of your own eyes. These shooting that are and have been happening in America are by DESIGN.

  65. lewisp October 5, 2017 at 11:45 am

    Why is nobody looking at the hotel room windows? These are very thick lexan, and breaking them out with a little hammer isn’t happening!
    They must have been blown out or shattered in some other way.
    Plunging fire, even with 5.56 would be very easy and effective to do, by anybody. Like I saw above, where are the medical reports of the wound types, and entry angles? Not one single bullet was recovered of the hundreds(thousands?) fired into that venue? How about any pics of the supposed “hundreds” of rounds fired through the hotel room door prior to LEOs arriving? Are we supposed to believe this guy shot hundreds of rifle bullets into and through his hotel room door, and they all went where exactly? Swept up from the hallway carpet by the maids? Seems pretty easy to figure out what sort of guns and ammo he shot that day, if that’s how it went….

  66. Evelyn Byrne October 5, 2017 at 1:39 pm

    And now we’re all supposed to clamor for gun confiscation and a round up of mentally ill people.

  67. 10/5/2017 October 5, 2017 at 6:18 pm

    THE FIRST THING IS TO REALIZE THAT IT IS OK TO SPECULATE AND CONSIDER VARIOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIES…THAT SHOWS YOU ARE AT LEAST…THINKING…WHEREAS THE MSM IS ONLT GOING TO TELL YOU OR REPORT WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO KNOW. I WOULD TAKE EVERYTHING THEY SAY WITH A GRAIN OF SAND!!!

  68. Rob October 6, 2017 at 5:58 am

    Great article – just a few points about the likely weaponry used. The shooting sounds I’ve heard from the footage at Mandalay are faster and more staccato than the M-60 indicating a higher cyclic rate. A prime candidate is the M249 SAW – also a belt fed machine gun but in 5.56/.223 caliber.
    Listen from :30 to :45 of this video:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dCoFvH8zQYI
    You mentioned that the targets were out of range of 5.56/.223. Actually, according to the army the effective range of the SAW when fired from a bipod is 600-800 meters depending on size of target.
    http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/m249/m249-study-guide.shtml

    Lastly, the 5.56 is more generally designed to wound/maim rather than kill. That’s exactly what we saw in this horrific event with roughly 9 persons wounded for each person killed. From a forensic point of view It also makes it easier to blame the patsy who was in possession of what appear to be primarily .223/5.56mm weapons. Just my two cents

  69. sparrow59 October 6, 2017 at 7:18 am

    My gosh, that video is disturbing. I’m a strong supporter of the 2A, but can’t imagine what this gun would be used for. Why is it smoking after firing?

  70. EM October 6, 2017 at 8:13 am

    There is no way Stephen fired various caliber firearms with varying points-of-aim 400 and 500 and 600 meters, from that room, at that elevation, while also changing magazines, and or firearms platforms i.e. AK, AR, Bump Stock, and or Full Auto, as was in the room, within 14 mins, while also putting 200 rounds down the hallway. — The attack on the concert did NOT happen has is being reported. There is no footage of spent casings either, if there was, it would cover the entire room with shells.

  71. Gerard Trip October 6, 2017 at 11:14 am

    After the banning of all gambling in Russia in 2009, the Russian Mafia set up in Las Vegas. One if its most feared leaders, Razhden Shulaya, on 7 June 2017, was arrested by the FBI. When Wikileaks Vault 7 revealed that the traitorous CIA was using Russian Mafia malware in its “Grasshopper” spyware programme, it so angered President Trump, he ordered the FBI to take down the Russian Mafia, which had been protected by Obama. Razhden Shulaya controlled a vast gun smuggling ring headed by Stephen Paddock.
    Later in June, Stephen Paddock gathered around him in Las Vegas his fellow CIA gun runners to discuss their fears of what the FBI’s taking down of Russia Mafia leader Razhden Shulaya meant for them, believing that forces loyal to President Trump would be targeting them next. The “master plot” was devised on how to retaliate against President Trump. … This is the motive for the Las Vegas massacre – Trump’s order to take down the Russian Mafia, for which Paddock was the leading gun runner.
    Stephen Paddock was a CIA arms pilot delivering thousands of weapons to a Mexican drug cartel between 2006-2011 in what is now known as “CIA Operation Fast and Furious”, in his 2004 Cirrus Design Corp SR20 plane, rego no. N5343M.

  72. Angie October 6, 2017 at 6:18 pm

    Best ideas I’ve seen are comments on HenryMakow.com under
    Comments for “Did 9-11 Perps Plan Las Vegas Massacre for Profit?”
    Basically a government drill made fake nightly news.

    I bet lots of gunshots were Hollywood FX. Some cops reported
    strobe lights on comms, I bet that’s exactly what they were…
    so all this gun model guessing is wasted time. The shots
    were impossible because they weren’t real.

    Not saying no one died, just that some gunshots were faked making
    audio/video analysis a sucker’s game.

    (PS Henry Makow is a non-observant Jew whose family perished in
    the holocaust and whose parents fled to Canada.)

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