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How to Take Your Money Out of the Bank Without Going to Prison

Dave Hodges

October 23, 2013

The Common Sense Show

The banking industry is absolute chaos as their criminality is being exposed for the entire world to see.

It is now widely known that the derivatives debt is over $1 quadrillion dollars and some of the rank and file in this country are concerned that their bank accounts, 401K’s, IRA’s and pensions will be confiscated by desperate, tier two bankers, who are forestalling the inevitable currency collapse by stealing your money.

The time to have taken your money out of the bank was yesterday. There is very little time before the IMF’s plan to steal 10%, for starters, of all bank accounts in Europe.JP Morgan Chase is banning wire transfers from their bank to foreign banks to prevent American capital flight which will surely happen as America wakes up to the desperate situation that the banks are in. The bank is also prohibiting any cash withdrawals of $50,000 or more. This past Friday, HSBC (America) followed suit. It is highly likely that all 5 megabanks will enact the same policies in the near future.

Although, most Americans are free to leave the country, it is becoming exceedingly difficult for Americans to take their money with them. Preparing for expatriation is a daunting task and I do not believe that most of us have the time or the ability to get our assets out of the country as well as make detailed plans and implement those plans in advance of the coming crash as we attempt to leave the country. Therefore, most of us are going to be forced to adopt an adaptation strategy.

With all that is available to read on this topic, it is mind boggling regarding how few people are preparing to act to preserve what assets they have remaining by not removing their money from the bank. Because you have put your money in the bank, you no longer own your money. Taking what was your money out of the bank is no longer a matter of walking up to your friendly teller with a withdrawal slip and the teller cheerfully honors your request and you calmly exit the bank with your money in tow. In fact, your teller is trained to look for certain indicators in any cash withdrawal of any significance.

As you move to withdraw the bulk of your money, there are three federal banking laws that you should be cognizant of, namely, Cash Transaction Report (CTR), a Suspicious Activity Report (SAR) and structuring.


Federal law requires that the bank file a report based upon any withdrawal or deposit of $10,000 or more on any single given day.The law was designed to put a damper on money laundering, sophisticated counterfeiting and other federal crimes.

To remain in compliance with the law, financial institutions must obtain personal identification, information about the transaction and the social security number of the person conducting the transaction.

Technically, there is no federal law prohibiting the use of large amounts of cash. However, a CTR must be filed in ALL cases of cash transaction regardless of the reason underlying the transaction.

Before proceeding with the planed withdrawal of your money, I would strongly suggest that you read the following federal guidelines as it relates to CTR’s as produced by the The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN). All the federal regulations contained in this article are elucidated in this series of federal reports.

Structuring and SAR

There will undoubtedly be some geniuses whose math ability will tell them that all they have to do is to withdraw $9,999.99 and the bank and its protector, the federal government will be none the wiser. It is not quite that simple. Here are a few examples of structuring violations that one should be aware of:

1. Joe has obtained $15,000 in cash he obtained from selling his truck. He knows that if he deposits $15,000 in cash, his financial institution will be required to file a CTR. Instead he deposits $7,500 in cash in the morning with one financial institution employee and comes back to the financial institution later in the day to another employee to deposit the remaining $7,500, hoping to evade the CTR reporting requirement. Joe should have used multiple accounts to conduct this transaction.

2. Sally needs $16,000 in cash to pay for supplies for her arts and crafts business. Sally cashes an $8,000 personal check at a financial institution on a Monday. She subsequently cashes another $8,000 personal check at the bank the following day. Sally is careful to have cashed the two checks on different days and structured the transactions in an attempt to evade the CTR reporting requirement. Sally should have made irregular deposits on staggered days.

3. A married couple, John and Jane, sell a vehicle for $12,000 in cash. To evade the CTR reporting requirement, John and Jane structure their transactions using different accounts. John deposits $8,000 of that money into his and Jane’s joint account in the morning. Later that day, Jane deposits $1,500 into the joint account, then $2,500 into her sister’s account, which is later transferred to John and Jane’s joint account at the same bank. Again, John and Jane should have used multiple banks.

The aggregate total of the three transactions totals more than the $10,000 threshold, therefore, a SAR would be filed by the bank and you would be the subject of a federal investigation as all three of the above cases clearly violate the federal banking laws related to structuring. It is a federal crime to break up transactions into smaller amounts for the purpose of evading the CTR reporting requirement. In these instances, the bank is required to file a SAR which serves to notify the federal government of an individual’s attempt to structure deposits or withdrawals by circumventing the $10,000 reporting requirement.   

Structuring transactions to prevent a CTR from being reported can result in imprisonment for not more than five years and/or a fine of up to $250,000. If structuring involves more than $100,000 in a twelve month period or is performed while violating another law of the federal government, the penalty is doubled.


Much like the enforcement of our tax laws, the federal government’s enforcement of its banking laws as it relates to CTR’s, SAR’s and subsequent structuring is quite draconian. Civilian asset forfeiture laws come into play. The government can seize your bank accounts while it determines if a crime has been committed. The government can literally seize your assets in perpetuity without an order of the court. Of course, you could try and sue but you will be up against the deep pockets of the federal government and the case could take years. By the time your case is decided, the financial banking crisis that you are so desperately trying to avoid by withdrawing your money, could be over.  So, proceed with caution.

Withdrawing Your Money From the Bank

The best way to avoid getting your money caught in the bank in the midst of a bank run would be to not let the lion’s share of your money ever cross the bank. The simplest way to accomplish this is to prevent any form of deposit from going automatically into your account, as much as it is possible.

Secondly, you need to begin to pay cash for everything. Let’s say that every 30 days, Bob cashes his check at the bank from his work worth $5,000 net pay. Bob leaves just enough in the bank to be able to conduct normal banking business. Bob walks out of the bank every month with the majority of the cash from his check. Bob should begin to pay cash for as much as he can, such as eating out, paying the electric bill (pay the bill in person), buying groceries, etc. When it becomes necessary to make a “big ticket” purchase, Bob could temporarily leave more in the bank to cover the writing of a check.

You would also be wise to open multiple banking accounts ranging from the big five megabanks to your local credit unions. You could withdraw much smaller amounts until the sum total of your accounts is greatly diminished and is in your possession. To open the accounts, simply write a personal check from your home bank. Of course, in these cases, the bank could hold the check for 15-30 days.

I cannot promise you that if you become the target of federal investigators, that you will not have your every financial move scrutinized and the feds will eventually discover the aggregate patterns of withdrawal. People who I interviewed told me that they believe that the federal government is in the process of getting the banking computers to “talk” to each other in a way that would reveal structuring, but that technology is not yet online.

If you ever become the target of a federal investigation, do not, under any circumstances, allow yourself to be interviewed by federal officials without an attorney present. In many cases, people go to jail and pay huge fines, not because they have committed a federal crime, but because federal officials state that they have lied or misled them. And if you do not have an attorney present, it is your word versus the federal government.


In an upside-down world in which the banks legally own your money, getting your money away from these criminal banks has become an art form. I cannot promise you that you will be able to retrieve all of your assets, however, I can promise you that if you do not act, you will lose everything. Today and tomorrow (10/23 and 10/24) FEMA and DHS are engaged in part two of simulating a cyber terrorist attack upon the banking system. One thousand banks and all 50 governors are involved in this test. I would strongly suggest that you keep your gas tank filled and you have plenty of cash, food and ammunition on hand. I am not predicting a problem with this test, but it is better to be safe than sorry.

Although personally, I think we have some time to prepare before the currency is collapsed, the dates which have me most concerned are November 13th and 14th which are the dates coinciding with Grid Ex II in which a simulated continental power grid failure will be rehearsed. This opens a whole can of worms. For example, once you have the bulk of your money out of the bank, what should you replace the cash with? What should you be buying in anticipation of the currency collapse which is looming? These topics and more will be the subject of the next article.




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  1. musivick von lunas October 23, 2013 at 6:22 am

    i use electronic transfers to buy into a mutual fund
    i also use checks to buy silver coins from several different companies
    i am going to cross my fingers with the Nov 13-14th GRIDX II operation as i have a sizeable property tax to pay at that due date
    i have ttempted to create a money flow sequence so that the data-mining agencies wont red flag me for ~weird~ transactions

  2. Paula Tuttle October 23, 2013 at 6:35 am

    Thank you for this article and all you do to help educate the public of the banking scams and how they can secure themselves from them! Great work!!

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  5. Kevin October 23, 2013 at 7:16 am

    I went to my local small town bank last week to cash a check for a completed real estate contract in the amount of 10,350.00……. When I said I was cashing and not depositing she replied she did not think she had that much money.. I did not say a word and just looked at her.. After 60 seconds of me glaring at her she said I might have enough money, brought it out and made me jump through hoops to get it, but I got it and now keep the minimum in my checking account….

  6. Peter October 23, 2013 at 7:20 am

    Hello Everyone,

    The above is way too complicated! I left USSA in June 2011 and took with me 35,000 Euro with a cash through those Pedophile goons called TSA from Chicago. In fact, they never asked me if I had more than 10,000 cash. The rest of the money, I put in Capitol One bank.
    I opened a debit account and I can use it anywhere in the world. They charge me 1% transaction fee (currency fee), unlike some of these other criminal banks. The limit was 1,000 dollars per month (around 650 to 700 Euro per month) until I removed my money.

  7. Walter October 23, 2013 at 7:24 am

    To Dave Hodges, This article is very important, like many of your artilcles. However, the examples are not good. IT does not say what happened, It would be good if you had an example of a person has $20,000.00 and wants to put it into their bank without a ctr. How would they accomplish this, in detail.
    An example that a person has a Retirement account, and they want to remove $50,000.00 how would they do this. The examples leave me in question. As you say, the person should have done something else, but I need hard variables, such as Bank A, and Bank B. Not multiple banks.
    Thank you


  8. george October 23, 2013 at 7:26 am

    I worked for Bank of America and can verify the truth of what Dave has said. Once the feds get their grubbly little hands on even ONE large transaction or combination-transaction, you are busted out. You MUST begin NOW to get your money, or you’ll be screaming, “Greece! Greece!” And what about silver and gold? who will be able to make change for you? or buy back your gold and silver, if the dollar crashes? ultimately, one must be a child of the King of kings and Lord of Lords, thru the new birth by the blood of His cross. Then and only then, can you say, “If God is for me, who can be against me?”

  9. Kepano24 October 23, 2013 at 7:37 am

    One thing NOBODY is saying about pulling money out of the bank….When the economy collapses, people keep saying YOUR MONEY IS WORTHLESS ANYWAYS….. so how is it, telling people the dollar will collapse and then at the same time say take your money out of your back..? any one? answers…

    This is like telling people fire and brimstone in church and in Heaven we will be with Jesus, but not telling them “oh by the way after a 1000 yrs of Heaven on earth, God will let satan loose again for the final war…No one seems to read revelations all the way through, not even Steve Quayle…..

    Just a thought on why pull money out if it will be worth nothing anyways ?


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  11. george October 23, 2013 at 7:57 am

    there is another little-known (by the public sheeple) report which all banks use: the Large-Items Report. Every transaction, 5000 smackers and up, goes on this report and is read by ALL officers of each branch of each bank. Makes no diff. which size bank; you will be scrutinized by the banks. In my day, we read this report and checked on the items to make sure no fraud, forgery or theft was taking place. Today, the banks are examining these transactions for another reason entirely – to supposedly find out if drug trafficking is occuring, etc. In actuality, the banksters are hoping to spot people who want to take their money out of their banks, and then sic your friendly feds onto them, just as Dave has postulated. Therefore, if possible, take out smaller amounts and deposit smaller amounts, thereby fooling (we hope) the watchers, who are determined to cover their derivative bets by using YOUR money, just as has happened in the lovely little paradise called the Hellenic Republic. And never tell ANYone what you are doing. A secret is a secret only when ONE person has it.

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  13. Oz-land October 23, 2013 at 8:01 am

    I believe that $10,000 amount was dropped to $5,000 a few years ago. The laddering still applies. Banks are mandated never to reveal if your account is being investigated. They must report you if you complain about all the regs. Allegedly this is to catch money launderers (LMAO) who wire their deposits into the NY too-big-for-jail cartel.
    Dodd-Frank is a major piece of oligarchical control whose purpose is to consolidate power by putting smaller players out of business by imposing oppressively detailed regs that do not apply to the banksters.

    No nations, no private property, no families, no religion, no middle class, no competition… have they missed any of the planks in the commie manifesto?


  14. Pine 4 Better Daze October 23, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Did any bank file a Suspicious Activity Report when $2.3 trillion turned up missing at the Pentagon the day before 9/11 or when millions from CIA drug smuggling operations are laundered
    through U.S. banks?? Oh, wait, that’s our criminal federal government doing that so it’s OK!

  15. Willard Aztec October 23, 2013 at 8:33 am

    The lateness of the hour is becoming apparent to many by now but a friend told me, “I understand what you’re saying but it takes a major decision to take money out of a savings account when your wife is against it.” Well, will she be against it when you open a few cans of food later on that you bought with money that is no longer in the bank?
    This article is worth pondering and if you haven’t done it, tomorrow may be too late. The $10,000 rule has been in place since the late 80s and if you haven’t caught on by now it may be too late for you. There is only one sure way to beat the system:
    Put your faith not in men or their schemes but turn it ALL over to the Lord Jesus Christ, there is no other way. Eventually, all the schemes of man will fail and only He will endure.

  16. Rebecca Gear October 23, 2013 at 9:49 am

    This is one of the reasons I do not mind being poor!

  17. laura m. October 23, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Another idea: Using several banks(not branches of one bank) at a time/ buying food every three days: We use three banks and two incl. jumbo CD’s. We are retired, both on SS, drawing down a 401k and get dividends from blue chip stocks and muni’s. Friends likewise. On checking accts we keep low amounts in two banks/cr unions and get cash back using either debit cards when buying items in stores to avoid seeing bank tellers as we do not use ATM’s. ATM’s have cameras and it’s like going into the bank anyway. By splitting up grocery shopping every three days instead of once a week, this gives me more cash back each time I shop. Another idea mentioned to me was running up credit card/mail orders for preps, etc. then pay it off each month same as withdrawing cash by writing a check to Visa, etc. I’d be glad to hear other ideas from comments made. Willard: The spouse who pitches a fit if other one wants to take out savings acct is very common I hear.

  18. DigDeep October 23, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Oz-land: Although the Federal requirement is >$10,000 some banks have instituted a >$5,000 policy. I ran into this at an institution that I used to bank at.

  19. mad mike October 23, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Recently recieved an insurance check from AFLAC drawn on CHASE/J.P. Morgan Bank. The amount was just under 7k, have banked with my bank 15 yrs, they would not cash it. Had to hold it till Nov.1 in my acct, they said. I had to drive out of state 270 miles to cash the check! Split the amount into two envelopes, placed the cash in my boots and went straight out and bought food and ammunition. Now I own real, tangible commodities. The banks fear this. That is how you hurt them. And you keep barely the minimum necessary in your account, so little that it costs them more to retain your business than it profits them.

  20. Nam Marine October 23, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    They get you one way or another! My Social Security has to be direct deposit in some type of Bank. No more checks! That way
    they can get your money no matter what you do.

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  22. Dan October 23, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Do you have an idea how long it takes for a SAR to be generated and followed up on by the feds?


  23. banana breath October 23, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Aren’t they working toward a cashless system anyway? Would be easy to do at this point. To get people on board all they would have to do is get their back pocket media to report how cash is only coveted and used by the criminals. It amazes me how much STILL people lap it up. They could be talking about how the MSM is unreliable and biased, while actually watching it in suspense.

  24. Dawn October 23, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Does this also apply to credit unions?


  25. Lucille Rothstein October 23, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Kepano24, you will bust up their little scheme of them selling books, cd’s, videos, e-books, and so many other things about money crashing and being worthless, yet they take your and anyone else’s money all day long. They take it even with a credit card using all digital transactions to get their grubby little christian hands on it. These people having been crying the sky is falling all of my life and they have learned to market and make a tidy profit from misery. They are collaborators of pain, they inflict it so well, they use key words, phrases and whatever they can to get you to part with your evil money. They take advantage of mentally challenged people, or those that are afraid and fearful. They are despicable people. Steve Quayle is one of these horrid creatures. They truly have come crawling from the underground.I wish them to get caught and sent to prison(a gulag like they like to call it) for fleecing so many gullible people. Do not listen to them Kepona24, or anybody else reading this. Sure we have problems, but we have capable people working to fix them, we don’t need republicans or christians inflicting their stupid moronic ideology into what we know is already a problem and we have capable intelligent people in both government and private industry that are trying to fix, we certainly did not need a government shutdown like the republicans initiated and worst the disruptions that they have planned for the American people because they don’t agree or go along with their retarded views.

  26. oot October 23, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    I thought of an idea which might work to put some bank risk onto your utility companies. I pay bills six months out into the future and run a credit balance on all my statements.

    I have hunch companies will honor those prepaid utilities because so few people will be doing it and their computers won’t object. They send a bill and you don’t show up on a not-paid list. They just run your credit balance down. You don’t have to run down your cash during the emergency. They owe you the electricity and water and heating fuel and telephone, assuming those things still work for a while after the bank confiscation. Keep your statements.

  27. David October 23, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    With all the talk of banks failing and the dollar becoming toilet paper, wouldn’t a better use for spare $$ now be to stock up on necessities, storable food & common cal ammo? What good will greenbacks or even silver/gold do when a gallon of gas or a loaf of bread costs $50.00?

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  29. Willard Aztec October 23, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    We disappeared from the radar some time ago. We put the check in the bank and draw out enough cash as soon as possible and pay cash for everything! I realize that cannot continue forever but for now it works! If you post on the internet use a pen name, if you make a phone call or send an email be careful not to use “key” words that would cause an automated program to automatically snoop. Drive an older but reliable car, keep extra gasoline and oil on hand as well as canned foods. By the way if you are short of money you can buy 110 servings of oatmeal for $7 at Sam’s Club, it won’t taste real good after about the 15th meal but it sure beats going hungry and it’s good for you. Consider the horse.

  30. Justin October 23, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    What about the guy who makes $400k+ year? I can withdraw $1k a day from my credit union and still not get all my monthly pay out. It’s almost impossible to stay off the radar when your withdrawing $25k a month in cash, checks to buy good/silver, and trips to the gun store.


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  32. lonebull October 24, 2013 at 3:47 am

    like several others we need more specifics. I am in fair shape with my bank- keep my money SPENT. but my parents have allowed funds to build up in their bank account thru direct deposit. they are in their 90’s. my sister and are heirs but I am concerned they might live to see their money taken by the bank. I need specifics on drawing down the acct. which is about $30,000. how do we get that money OUT without the bank becoming suspicious and notifying the feds. I thought my dad could just draw it out in chunks less than $10k and he would be ok. this article seems to advise to the contrary. PLEASE write an article with specifics on how to get their money out of the bank safely and without questions. and if readers have done this please help me out here. I couldn’t sleep last night worrying about this. both my parents lived thru the depression and it would kill them to lose their life savings. PLEASE HELP!


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  35. mystery man October 24, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    To Lucille Rothstein,
    Honey you are behind the curve. JEWS RUN THE FERRAL RESERVE, the IMF AND WORLD BANK. They also chair all of the boards. In fact they just passed the torch to Yellen another JEW. Hitler saw what was happening, and allowed the world to dodge the banking bullet for 60 years that informed people are discussing here.

  36. SAFLAK October 24, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    I feel like I am reading how things work in Stalinist Soviet Union. I am 63 and grew up hearing how terrible the USSR was with their oppressive laws and citizen surveillance and how wonderful and free and special the USA was. What I heard about the USSR now applies to the USA. THE MONEY IN THE BANK IS MY MONEY AND I SHOULDN’T HAVE TO FEEL LIKE A CRIMINAL IF I WANT TO DO WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT TO DO WITH IT. The fact that there are money launderers shouldn’t affect me. When someone throws a spit wad in class, I shouldn’t be held with the rest of the class from going to recess. The “it takes a village” collectivist thinking where our individual liberties are sacrificed in order to catch the terrorist/criminal is from Stalinist USSR and makes me sick and we the people should push back.

  37. Slvrizgold October 24, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Buy silver coins. Stash them safely. Pay cash and buy in regular small amounts.

  38. MeTarzan October 25, 2013 at 2:58 am

    Thanks, Dave.

    Well, we’re damned if we leave our money in the bank, damned if we withdraw over $10k at a time, and damned if we “structure” withdrawals. Personally, I don’t care if they know about a legal $10k withdrawal, since the feds already know it’s on deposit. But given the choice, I’d rather have it in my pocket, and take my chances raising a red flag with the feds, than risk the feds just waltzing in and taking it. They can take my cash, too, I supposed, but now they’ll have to find it first! My advice is to call your bank a day or so ahead of time so they know you’re coming. Sometimes the bank has $10k in $20s and $50s, sometimes they don’t. Don’t be a jerk about it. Be bold, be polite, take what’s yours while the getting’s good, and work your plan. Remember, a bad plan is better than no plan at all.

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  41. DDearborn October 25, 2013 at 5:51 am


    And who is it again that owns the banks. Who owns and controls the FED? The big 5 banks and the FED are all controlled by the same group. SO few of them and so many of us. So much work for us and so little work for them. So little money for us and almost all of it for them. This is a con game. It is not terribly complicated or clever. And it is totally dependent upon the masses willingness to accept it. The simple reality is that all the masses have to do is say no more and it ends. There is not a damn thing the few could actually do about in the long run.

  42. blah October 25, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    “It is now widely known that the derivatives debt is over $1 quadrillion dollars”

    Half that and it isn’t debt. When you make such a basic error as that in your first paragraph, people tend to stop reading.


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  44. Italics Mine October 25, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    And how safe is your money in your matress?


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    I find it expedient to receive my salary in bitcoin.

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  52. Anita Bowden October 27, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    It is shocking what is happening to us!

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    What can people do to prevent this banking fiasco?


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