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The Next Shot Heard ‘Round the World’ Will Be in Northern California

Dave Hodges

October 27, 2013

The Common Sense Show

   As I have highlighted before, there are three distinct stages of revolution. The 15 counties comprising Northern California have entered stage two on the path to revolution, namely, the civil disobedience stage. And two of the counties have entered the civil disobedience phase with a vengeance as their County Board of Supervisors have voted to secede from the state of California. Now they don’t call it secession, they call it withdrawal in a rose of a different color distinction. The fact remains these people want out from underneath the tyrannical rule of the state of California. And as their own state, they will be in a better position from which to battle the Agenda 21 forces of the Federal government. 

As I read their local community’s media accounts, accompanied by their reasons for secession, I feel like I’m reading an old United States history textbook in which we could substitute the state of South Carolina for the seceding California counties of Siskiyou and Modoc.  Emotions are running very high as the residents lifestyles and livelihoods are facing total obliteration.

Northern California Is an Agenda 21 Battleground

Over the years, many rural residents have been frustrated by federal environmental laws restricting logging and other forestry activities. The timber industry is dead. The mining industry is dead. The entire region is being deindustrialized and many residents and local leaders have stated that becoming a state would finally allow them to push the federal government to alter the onerous restrictions on government-owned land as well to forsake the private property rights restrictions being imposed upon them

   I have been aware of Agenda 21 abuses in places like Fort Collins, Colorado, where the courts steal the children from parents who protest against draconian Agenda 21 policies. I’m also aware that in places like Santa Cruz, California and Austin, Texas that individual property rights are severely limited because the local governments have adopted United Nations Agenda 21 policies. However, nothing and I mean nothing, matches the Agenda 21 abuses of individual liberties and private property rights that is going on in the northern counties of California and Southern Oregon. And true to form for the mainstream media, barely a word of coverage has been broadcast or published for a national audience.

   Along these lines of selective media coverage, please allow me to ask you a question. Would you find it a tad bit interesting, and would you want to see it on your nightly news if you were to discover that a portion of the country was purposely being made to go broke by the Federal government? Would you further find it newsworthy that the people in Northern California are soon going to be forced off of their lands, by the tens if not hundreds of thousands of people, which will result in their relocation to urban areas to the south? Have you ever seen a Wildlands Agenda 21 map where all the red dots and red colored areas are targeted for becoming “no human habitation” zones? Well, all of these things and more are taking place in Northern California and I’m willing to bet that none of you have heard of the horrific abuses that have been perpetrated by the Federal government and their minions in California state government. This is their story.

 Secession Moves Forward

A public meeting in September of 2013, in which the Siskiyou County board of supervisors approved a secession declaration, the Redding Record Searchlight reported


The fervor to leave the state of California was also fueled by Modoc County Supervisors  who voted 4-0 in favor in secession. Federal government abuse of property rights is fueling this rebellion in Northern California and Southern Oregon.

   “Over the years, many rural residents have been frustrated by federal environmental laws restricting logging and other forestry activities. Byrne said becoming a state would finally allow them to push the federal government to alter the onerous restrictions on government-owned land.”

No Hunting On Tax Supported Forest Land 


  If you were to drive through the towns along Interstate 5 in Northern California, you would have a hard time finding sporting-goods stores to sell you any hunting equipment. Yet, this region was once the prime hunting grounds in the United States. This is not the case anymore and here are some of the reasons why.

   One can still obtain a hunting permit while living in Northern California. However, if you were to be driving your car on a road near a forest, that your taxes go to support, you could not stray from the road by more than one car length. This is the law! Therefore, in this region of the country, if you wanted to hunt, you literally have to park your car along the side of the road, hike in, shoot your game and then you would have to literally drag your game back out to the road. Hunting is dead and so are sporting-goods stores in this region of the country. 

   One interesting side note about the US Forest Service, is that they have been closing most roads into forests all across the country. Northern California and Southern Oregon have been greatly impacted by this process. Although a few of the roads remain open, they are not marked and they are nearly impossible to find on a map. Adding insult to injury, there are some people who need to travel on forest roads to get home. If they are caught traveling on the “wrong roads” they can be fined and possibly even jailed.

Irrigating Farms


   Nothing is more fundamental to successful farming than the right to irrigate one’s own land. The vast majority of farmers in Northern California and Southern Oregon have previously and successfully adjudicated the right to irrigate their farmland. However, several federal agencies such as the EPA along with several state agencies, are doing everything in their power to prevent farmers from irrigating their land and the previous set of case law be damned. 

    The cost passed on to the farmers for pumping water onto their farmland has increased from 0.6 cents to over $.13 per gallon. For some of these farmers, this represents a $200,000 increase in the cost of irrigating their farmland over the course of a year. This increase is making the cost of farming in this region, unsustainable. This increase is leading to a dramatic drop-off in food production from this region with devastating economic side effects.

   Water rights in this region have been carefully adjudicated by the courts. Most of the farmers and ranchers participate in a system which is often referred to as ” in-stream flow”. The system allows farmers and ranchers, by prior agreement to siphon off a certain amount of water through a trap door device. A water master routinely inspects these trapdoors to make sure that farmers and ranchers are only taking what they are entitled to take under the law. The system has worked well for several decades as farming and ranching were once very profitable enterprises in this region. But there is a fly in the ointment, state government is requiring these farmers and ranchers to obtain permits before they can open these trapdoor devices and the farmers and ranchers are being denied permission to obtain the permits. They shouldn’t even have to obtain equipment because their rights to the water have been legally guaranteed, but since when do radical environmentalists ever respect property rights or the letter of the law? The resulting effect spells doom for many of these ranchers and farmers. And God help these farmers and ranchers if a dead fish, such as a salmon, are ever discovered floating dead through their properties. Hundreds and even thousands of dollars of fines have been levied upon discovery of dead fish discovered in this manner. 

   These farmers and ranchers are literally having their livelihoods and their properties stolen out from underneath of their noses. This is sheer economic tyranny being perpetrated by the Agenda 21 forces of this country.

The EPA Destruction of Dams


   The EPA has announced plans to commence destroying several dams in the Klamath River in order to save the salmon fish. However, scientific data tells us that salmon would rather be spawning on streams that are within 20 miles of the coast, not 150 miles inland. Taking out the four dams along the Klamath River is an EPA and BLM objective based upon scientific fraud along the same lines as global warming.


   If these dams are allowed to be removed, these farmers and ranchers will not be able to obtain the water they need to sustain their livelihoods. It is not an overstatement to claim that the destruction of these dams is an extinction level event for this region. To do so, will also result in massive migration of people from this region all in the name of protecting the salmon which is not even an indigenous fish to this region.

Agenda 21 Objectives Being Fulfilled

   There are clearly a number of forces at work here. First, we see the clear Hunger Games type of agenda in which people have been forced off of pristine land, denied the use of water which results in the destruction of their local food supply. This fact makes people dependent upon the government and the residents of this region will be forced to relocate to urban areas following the devastating loss of their land. This is becoming a popular way in which the federal government is forcing people off of their land all across the country while not having to pay the costs associated with legitimate eminent domain. Plain and simple this process represents a cost-effective method to steal private property on behalf of special interests.

   Secondly, we are going to witness the total depopulation of this area in the name of protecting a non-indigenous fish. This is the environmentalist creed of Gaia which turns upside down the traditional and prioritized order of the hierarchy of life on this planet.

The traditional Christian view of the hierarchical structure of power on this planet consists of God, man, fowl, fish and land. The radical environmentalists hierarchical structure of power consists of land, fowl, fish and man with no mention of God. These opposing paradigms are what make most of us scratch our heads and state “What the hell do they think they’re doing?”  The plan begins to make sense when one considers the prime objectives of Agenda 21 as outlined by the United Nations. The United Nations seeks to remove all people and all human habitats from her wilderness areas and to relocate all people into six mega-regions in what is euphemistically referred to as “stack and pack” cities. The following video outlines the major threats to the people in this region. County Supervisor, Grace Bennett of Siskiyou County, references Agenda 21 as being a motivating force for subjugating, not only the home region of her county, but the rest of the country as well. The following 9 minute video is important to watch.

   When these four dams are destroyed, the ranches and farms of many of the nearby residents will be flooded out, thus adding to the carnage and destruction being visited upon these people by the federal government.

The Algae Factor

   The destruction of the Klamath River dams will result in huge deposits of algae which will make this pristine land very difficult to farm. It was at this moment that I had an epiphany. The Agenda 21 goal of depopulating this region was also motivated by a secondary goal, the proliferation of algae. This is something that I have a great deal of knowledge about, because I’ve dealt with this issue when I was writing my seven part series on the Gulf oil explosion.


As I discovered in the Gulf, the use of Corexit as the primary oil dispersant was very ineffective and led many researchers, like myself, to question the wisdom of the use of the most toxic dispersant on the face of the earth. In fact, Corexit does not disperse any oil, it merely submerges the oil. But what Corexit does do is it sucks all the CO2 out of the water and creates a dead zone. And this is precisely what we see along vast stretches of the Gulf, dead zones. When it was revealed to me that algae proliferation was going to be a byproduct of the destruction of these dams, I realized that this was very likely intentional. In the Gulf, algae farms, the next biofuel craze, have been springing up all along the coastline. The sponsors of this algae movement in the Gulf Coast have been none other than Al Gore, Warren Buffett and George Soros. Following the destruction of these dams, I fully expect to see the same globalists bringing their algae farms to this abandoned region.

The Mechanics of Secession 


  It is rumored that as many as 15 counties in Northern California and Southern Oregon are moving to secede/withdraw and join the state of Jefferson, the name of the intended 51st state. Secession faces two major roadblocks for this region. The California state legislature must first approve these counties leaving the state. This may not be an insurmountable task as the counties use more state revenue than they produce. Therefore, it would be cost effective for the state to let these counties secede.

   It is generally believed, that secession also hinges upon a successful bill being passed in Congress. This could prove to be the major obstacle because this government is run by and controlled by the forces of Agenda 21. Because of this latter reason, I do not expect that secession efforts of Northern California and southern Oregon to succeed under the present set of circumstances.



   These events are clearly a beta test for Agenda 21 in which the globalists are perfecting the process of depopulating the particular region of the country while making a profit in the process of doing so. By my latest count, there are no less than nine federal agencies that are working in unison to force these people off of their land. I think it is very likely that we are witnessing the model that Agenda 21 will pursue in subjugating world and wilderness areas and across the United States in the near future. However, I think that the federal government and their Agenda 21 benefactors may have miscalculated the outcome in which people may respond.


   Trapped people and trapped animals typically respond in a very similar manner. Along these lines, Gerald Celente likes the following quote:

When People lose everything, they have nothing left to lose, and they lose It.” Very soon, the people of Northern California and Southern Oregon will have nothing left to lose. This will make them extremely dangerous to the federal government.


   The people of Northern California and Southern Oregon are trapped between two very bad choices. They can choose to walk away from everything, face bankruptcy and be forced to start over in a lifestyle of which many of them are totally unfamiliar. Or, they can choose to try and somehow get by, most likely fail, face bankruptcy and be forced to start over in a lifestyle of which many of them are totally unfamiliar. Different choices resulting in the same outcome.

These are tough resilient people. If they reach the point of having nothing to lose, they could very likely lose it and we may see this region of the country being the modern day Lexington and Concord in which the next “first shot heard around the world” is fired.


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  2. AreYouSerious October 27, 2013 at 6:40 am

    The dollar will collapse before agenda 21 gets a foothold so these government bullies will be more concerned about putting food on their tables in the near future. Watch how all these idiots in the federal government panic when the whole system goes bust. Once protesters get mowed down by storm troopers the gig is over and people will stop paying all taxes


  3. Ovidiu Valentin October 27, 2013 at 7:25 am

    I’m afraid that the things are not as simple as shown in this article. Things are wrong because it’s normal to be so, as they are arising directly from the theory of the five stages of positive disintegration developed by Kazimierz Dabrowski.

    Essentially, the positive disintegration refers to the collapse of existing psychological structures and creating new ones as a direct result of traumatic events. Dabrowski practically defines the concept and divide it into five stages of development (www.positivedisintegration.com). Here they are:

    1. In the first stage (the most stable and most representative, as a percentage, in the human population): the men is altruistic with himself and selfish with everything that surrounds him. In this case, the personal skills grow primarily on protecting his interests by placing himself in a more favorable position in the management and use of resources only for him in a social hierarchy in the most favorable positions. In this stage man loves only himself and all the skills they form are designed to strengthen their position. From here one, he can regress thru negative disintegration and decay into bestiality or, in statistically extremely rare cases, can lead to positive disintegration and evolve to the second stage. In this first stage are located basically all today politicians.

    2. In the second stage of personality disintegration, the man is altruistic with his family and selfish with all that doesn’t belong to the family. This second stage doesn’t have the stability of the first stage; there is the permanent risk of involution to the first stage or the evolution to the next one. In the second stage the man is able to develop emotional skills for their families and analytical skills toward exploiting technological, social or natural environment for the benefit of the family. This stage belongs to the corporate owners, executive boards and CEO’s.

    3. In the third stage of the positive disintegration, the man is altruistic with its social group to which it belongs and selfish with every thing else. He can become a group leader, which is an expression of the extended family, is respected and followed by members of the group, he assumes responsibility for the members within the group, going often to their own interests and sometimes forgetting the family in favor of group interests. In this stage people develop leadership skills, communication, and empathy with others problems, coordinating and manage the group activities. It is also an unstable stage; there is a permanent tendency of involution to a lower stage or the evolution to the next stage.

    4. In the fourth stage man is altruistic within its cultural area and selfish with the rest. It is able to develop specific features of their own culture and impose/promote them against other cultures. It develops skills that are artistic, social, organizational and scientific. In this stage, the man is very involved in the cultural stability, in the social balance, in economic development even with the risk of fighting against the system and with its internal imbalances.

    5. Stage five is the stage of absolute positive values. In this stage, peoples have very high value systems, being altruistic with society, with infinite psycho-social resources. An individual here, have no trace for materialism, but shows the spiritual development and projections for the future, being able to devote a life time to solve potential problems that have not yet occurred. It is a totally stable stage where nothing can destabilize the individual. It is the state of those who died in the communist prisons for refusing to become a part of that system. It is the case of peoples like Gandhi, Krisnamurti, Eckhart Tolle, Mooji, etc. This is a stage for real super-humans.

    These stages are the result of statistical socio-psychological measurements. The representation in the current world is 85% in the first stage, with an exponential decrease from stage to stage, reaching only a very small amount of individuals who are in Stage Five.
    For example, the people from the higher stages are turning increasingly more into the pursuit of common interests, abstract, without personal remuneration. Those from the lower levels usually hates those from superior levels, due to their intrinsic egocentric tendencies, which gives rise to a general framework of the system at level one. 85% of the population is in this stage and at this stage the system locks out other development stages watching them as a threat. Further more the problems occurred at the higher levels are not perceived by the lower level. So, for them these problems simply do not exist and as a consequence there is the inability to resolve them or to rally to certain ideas. That’s why many politicians are regarded as “out of reality”.
    In stage one, everything is moving towards quantity. For a person in the first stage it is not a quality problem. It is beyond his perception. Do you realize what this means transposed over the current situation? This means that most people can not embrace to the same purpose, because they simply do not have the ability to perceive environmental problems, pollution, future, money-power concepts; all these concepts are completly outside of their egoistic preoccupations.

    The evolution of the group can take place according to Dabrowski’s theory, by suffering or carrying out dramatic events that force the individual to the breaking point in the old patterns and taking new ones through the phenomenon of disintegration and reintegration. These dramatic events occur at an increasing pace all over the world as the awaking extend.
    What is even more interestingly in the Dabrowski theory is that the children development also follows a similar pattern but in miniature and slowly but surely they will become trapped at stage one.

    A short and sad one: The world MUST suffer in order to evolve. There is simply no other way around.


  4. Rumplestiltskin October 27, 2013 at 8:01 am

    This secession is not going to happen without force. Americans have allowed the Fox to be put in charge of the hen house, and then expect the hens to ask the fox to please not eat them. Until all those errant government agencies are physically taken to task, they are not going to change, because receiving government largess by those government minions, which is far too easy to come by, gives them no reason to change what they do.

    Those government minions will do what they’re told, and if you are in their way, you will be squashed like bug, unless you present a solid front of opposition. Pretending you want to secede when you actually have no power to do so, looks childish. Hit them where it hurts, and pretty soon no officer of those errant agencies will come to your country to dispute your right of ownership of your land or the water running through it.

    Many years ago American Indians in the Klamath lake area in Oregon proved that if they needed meat and hunted the land, they would be arrested by Fish and Game officers, that is until more than few officers disappeared supposedly doing their job. When a government is run by force, only force will change its direction. You people must know that humans do not like change, and will fight tooth and nail to not change even in the face of overwhelming odds. It’s hunting season people. Keep your powder dry, and your flints well stocked !!

  5. Joe Farmer October 27, 2013 at 8:11 am

    Ashland, Oregon, is the first city you come to heading North on I-5 few miles from the boarder.
    They are signed up for the Agenda 21 also known as ICLEI INTERNATIONAL COUNCIL FOR LOCAL ENVIRONMENTAL INITIATIVES. Ask the government of Ashland or the ICLEI website, what ICLE stands for and you will be told it stands for “Local Governments for Sustainability” sounding environmentally safe. Their website has been redesigned to hide the International “New World Order” agenda. At one time you could see how many cities in the USA have been infiltrated by their Info network.

  6. Ann Minch October 27, 2013 at 8:28 am

    I live in Red Bluff (Tehama County) in Northern California, which just borders the area that is proposing to become Jefferson. I was raised here and lived here most of my life. While I agree with most of your article, as well as support the State of Jefferson, there are a few things I feel compelled to point out. Our experience has been that megacorporations have exploited our beautiful country by USING environmentalists (useful idiots) via the courts. Big logging interests bribe government officials and I’ve seen clear-cutting absolute MESSES created in our forests. The mills closed down and moved offshore in 70’s. Many of our farms are no longer owned by local ranchers but by big agri-business, which because of the water problems are now sucking our underground aquifers dry. Between big business and the overcrowded San Francisco Bay and L.A. areas, big water conglomerates are stealing our beautiful Sacramento river water using stealth methods behind this environmental/biodiversity shield. As a result, our economy is in ruins, and probably 80% of this county is on some type of public aide. Crime is rampant here and way above state and national averages. They even removed a dam that for 50 years created a recreational area that was beautiful and brought events and money into the community. Now, it is a desolate area where homeless encampments grew and finally a fire swept through it, so a big chunk of our town is ugly and abandoned. We have a small community group that is trying to address some of these issues, but we have no funding and are up against the globalists, megacorporations and corrupt state bureaucrats and bought-off judges. God help us!

  7. Arizona October 27, 2013 at 9:10 am

    HAHAHA,theres a group of VERY DANGEROUS TERRORISTS,who control everything in california,THEY are called THE CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL,…the word, EVIL was coined by these guys,these are the most evil beings I have EVER encountered,ANYWHERE,the movement to free themselves from the terrorist running california is a joke,IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN,the CHP will kill everyone involved,this ain’t the first time they have tryed to seperate them selves from the terrorists running califorina,and they ALL ended up dead,the POLICE GANGS raided their homes and businesses and KILLED THEM ALL…………………

  8. Arizona October 27, 2013 at 9:24 am

    THE LORD has had it with the EVIL coming from california,almost the whole state is going to slide off the sand shelf it sits on ,RIGHT INTO THE DEEP water of the pacific ocean,going,going,gone..BUT they are going to do some suffering first,the chinese will teach them a few things about being stupid first………………..WATCH this,THE LORD in action,THE CITY of MIAMI, has for many years killed homeless people and taken them out into everglades national wildlife areas and buried them,WATCH the holloween football game in miami,a lot of rich people are leaving this world,who supported the death of the poor in miami,pay backs are a bitch…THE LORD warned,what you do to the LEAST,YOU DO TO ME……………….

  9. Randa October 27, 2013 at 10:32 am

    I think it’s Fukushima. Hawaii has gone radioactive and California is getting hit very badly. Moose along the Canadian border jetstream are having a huge die-off.

    Is there going to be a November 1st lockdown of USA?


  10. Kepano24 October 27, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Good for them. But it,will do no good. It would have to pass congress and the evil up there will not let it happen. So it’s really a failed hope. Even if they were to succeed, they are still on US soil which will fall under the Fed Gov, nothing will change. Our precious joke of a government outright stole the islands of Hawaii by locking up the queen. DO YOU REALLY THING THEY WILL LET COUNTIES SUCCEED? I’m pretty sure it will never happen

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  12. TTS October 27, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Ovidiu Valentin “A short and sad one: The world MUST suffer in order to evolve. There is simply no other way around…” Suffering alone will not change man into something good. Suffering causes man to seek and find God (which is GOOD). Jesus Christ, God’s sacrifice to reconcile man unto Himself, is the only answer; suffering alone, without Gods solution, only leads to very pissed off people.

    Man has ZERO ability to evolve beyond his sinful nature. Jesus Christ is the only solution.

  13. William Zabel October 27, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    I remember back in the 70’s my uncle who owned a large farm in eastern Colorado had to put up with a jerk from the state of Colorado they nicknamed the “Ditch rider” because he rode along the ditches on an ATV and checked to make sure the farmers were not wasting water. These people do not know who they serve or what the final outcome will be, but these government workers need to understand that the environmentalist are mentally ill. And listening to mentally ill people and taking advice from them as well as orders is not in anyone’s best interest.

    I dare say that even if they secede from California, the feds will; not go away quietly.

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  16. Raider October 27, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    “Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.” (Isaiah 1:7)

    The above verse is taking place now in America, because America as a whole turned her back on God and went her own way. If only people in America would remember America’s roots and turn back to God and his son Jesus in repentance.

    Agenda 21, Obama’s usurping presence in America, and every other tyrannical evil being played out now, is a form of the reality of Isaiah 1:7 happening. God allows this to happen because it’s part of his judgment on a backslidden nation.

    I hope the people of Jefferson put their hope in Jesus and dig in for a fight. I want them to have success. It is better to die fighting while standing on our God given rights, then to submit to tyranny like a coward in hopes our conquers will be nice to us.

  17. ExLibris October 27, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    I suggest that for clarity, you change your “0.6 cents to over $.13 per gallon” example to either “0.6 cents to 13.0 cents (almost 22 times more expensive)”, or “$0.006 to $0.13 per gallon (almost 22 times more expensive)”.

    This is needed I believe because most people mistakenly will interpret this as a simple 2X cost increase, simply dividing the “13” by “6” (assuming they even try to do the math also likely ignore the decimal point). This is the case not only because of the poor math and reading skills of many people these days (thanks to (I believe intentionally) poor education execution), but mixing fiscal denominations like that is just bad writing practice. The example will be ignored by people who don’t carefully read the article and your intent will be lost.

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  19. NW Native October 27, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    There’ s the saying that goes something like “the more things change
    the more they stay the same.”
    What the Bolsheviks did to Russia circa 1917-1953, they are doing to America via
    different means. Same goes for when the commies took over China and Cambodia.
    The elite NWO can’t have independent farmers and ranchers on the land.
    You must be forced off the land and/or liquidated. All this is by plan.
    Read the articles by vidrebel and read about the NW Front. http://northwestfront.org/

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  21. LeslieSalt October 28, 2013 at 6:34 am

    If my people,5971 which834 are called7121, 5921 by my name,8034 shall humble themselves,3665 and pray,6419 and seek1245 my face,6440 and turn7725 from their wicked7451 ways;4480, 1870 then will I589 hear8085 from4480 heaven,8064 and will forgive5545 their sin,2403 and will heal7495 (853) their land.776 2 Chronicles 2:14 (eSword)
    Withdrawal or seperation from a state is provided under Article VI Section 3 of the US Constitution, we are not seceeding.

  22. John October 28, 2013 at 6:36 am

    Ann Minch’s replies are spot on. It would behoove people to understand what she says. I’m not from northern California or southern Oregon, but I can tell you it isn’t any different anywhere else in this part of Fascist America. A few rich bastards want it all. They buy off the politicians and destroy the land and resident people’s livelihoods with impunity. All the while pretending to be just a common guy…. Those type and those who serve them are your true enemies.

  23. NoSale October 28, 2013 at 8:01 am

    In the Midwest they took out several dams. Bingo Flooding! Removing dams, + Geo-engineering the Weather, I think they are working on their Agenda 21 course. There has been early flood storms, & a Midwest snow storm from the West (theirs usually comes from the East) that killed a lot of cattle which is going to bankrupt lots of Ranchers. You can put your Money on Monsanto aquiring lots of land for pennies on the dollar!

  24. Tom Knorr October 28, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Great article, but I think it needs a bit refinement:

    1. The federal government does not own any land, the public OWNS it! These are public lands that the federal government manages (poorly IMHO) on our behalf.
    2. The great thing of creating a new state in the northern part of California is that we gain control over how the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution is used to keep the federal government at bay. California does not use the 10th unless it affects urban areas. California is leading the federal government in environmental restrictions that might very well be necessary in population centers, but are killing rural California.

  25. Tom Knorr October 28, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    @Ovidiu Valentin:

    interesting writeup, and I agree that all things must change constantly. The suffering evaluation depends on which stage you live in and what the change is.

    for all the folks that do not want to read though all of Dabrowski’s theory, let me try to summarize:

    Stage 1: can survive as individual
    Stage 2: can survive and procreate
    Stage 3: Can make a group (larger than family) survive
    Stage 4: Interacts with other groups
    Stage 5: Theorizes about surviving but has no clue of what reality surrounds him/her and is totally dependent

    The key (IMHO) is to live somewhat in stage 3, with enough information and grounding to bring food on the table and protect what you need to live while still looking around to improve the overall situation.

  26. abinico warez October 28, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    I live in N. Cal., and can tell you for a fact, that if it wasn’t for the government restrictions, N. Cal. would be a denuded wasteland. The greed of the loggers is only eclipsed by their stupidity.


  27. nines October 28, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    I live in Jefferson, on the coast. I am conflicted about all this, big time. My hipneck roots are feuding, but I think a real determination should be made on real science… not the bought science likely to come from state agencies OR privately hired professionals. Our foresters and geologists, etc, will not bite the hand that feeds them, whatever hand that is. That is in stone.

    The fish are mandatory to the survival of our ecosystem and our humans. IF the dams or some of them have to go to make them flourish again, that MUST happen, but I’m not sure this is the case.

    I have lived where coho spawn and they will swim up rivulets not deep enough to cover them. When it’s raining too hard some of them mistake the driveway for the stream, missing the culverts under the drive to assist their annual project. So it seems rather fantastical to me that dams over a hundred miles from the coast are really the problem, but I’d like someone with NO skin in the game to confirm that. And if we REALLY mean to be good Jeffersonians instead of just selfish partisans, we will find a way to make that happen.

    Plus, I just heard an expert on matters similar to this talking about the whole problem of water being that no one is willing to drill deeply enough to tap into it.


    If it’s too expensive, tough. MAKE it be inexpensive, or go away. No one’s lifestyle is more important than OUR habitat.

    The grousing about the timber industry is just balderdash. We’re too cutover now. Period. We will be lucky to get back half of what we had in fifty years with all this crap falling out of the sky and making the trees so sick. It’s a damn mess. It scares me to pieces. I try to console myself that it is probably the worst nearest the highways, which is where it is apparent to anyone with eyes in their heads, but this is NOT much of a consolation.

    I am an avid environmentalist who was married to a logger and the daughter of a dairyman. I want ALL these things working in harmony. The stupidest part of all this to me is WE HAVE NO SHORTAGE OF WATER. We are Water Central. And if we quit letting corporations and captured agencies mess with it, we’d be FINE.


    Also, has no one ever heard of fish ladders? I have direct experience with this. If there is a way, even a slim one, those salmon take it. We just have to make positive they have that way, and hope they’re not too radioactive to be eaten. TO HELL WITH THE SALMON, IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT COUNT!

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  29. Gerry October 28, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Hey Dave – following Loretta’s comment above – your site and your research is some of the best I have seen. I don’t know how many years you’ve been doing this and how many posts you have, but it would be great if one day you can collate all of these amazing posts into some sort of e-book people can either access for free or purchase. It would be a great way to have it all in one place. And also, perhaps one day the net won’t be here…


  30. nines October 29, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    I don’t mean the coho in particular. I mean whatever salmon have been here for 12,000 years, and there HAVE been salmon here at least that long for sure, and supported the people and the critters and the forest all that time, and, of course, the other fish. You seem to forget that we are on a three-day supply of food in most populated areas of this country, including Jefferson. There are any number of scenarios where we will be only able to keep alive by eating things like the fish and the game that both directly and indirectly depend on them to survive.

    You might want to think about that. Bears, foxes, birds, otters, other fish, the plant life sustained by the health of the streams, everything also are HEAVILY impacted by the presence or absence of SALMON, whether coho or not. They are the BASIS for all the eating that has gone on here for millennia. That we’ve hedged that for less than 200 years doesn’t mean we are not RIGHT back in that life and death reality with one, say, nuke, or asteroid hit, or power failure.

    I’m too lazy to research your point about whether coho are native, but it’s moot. Property rights or no property rights, the bottom line is we have to have a habitat to survive… ALL of us….

    I hate Agenda 21 as much as the next guy, and already do things to help make it go away, but you are talking like it’s our god-given right to turn the ecosystem upon which everything here depends into whatever serves our fancy. Agenda 21 will cure THAT, at least for us useless eaters, for sure, but no one I know is supporting that… liberal or conservative… social darwinist or conservationist.

    It is NOT either us or them. If we use our heads and our HEARTS we can have BOTH, and THAT is the Jefferson I want to live in.

    My POINT is the people count ONLY as long as the salmon, and/or other things we’re decimating, keep us alive.


  31. nines October 29, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Well, and, I think I was starting to become irked with you, but then it struck me that you are probably too busy to try to consider my original comment carefully, and maybe don’t have quite the grasp of the ecosystem in question as a native. So the urge to call you a disparaging name evaporated, and corny as people find this:


    It’s still the truth. All my rightie mill worker and logger and rancher friends AGREE with me on this. They say they have been forced to to use the word “environmentalist” as an insult because of all the totalitarian lefties who butt in and ruin our way of life. It is a FACT that we are more environmentally concerned than most of those in the kiddy enviro circus and the NGOs who thrive on them, and now the corporate villains who thrive on them, but that does NOT mean we have to kill our environment to stay free.

    It just doesn’t.

    Economic crash. When the USSR fell, countless people there starved to death, but NOT the ones who could fish and hunt. We can’t have a state or a world where people can’t resort to that to stay alive.

    Agenda 21 is outright unacceptable, but keeping our habitat healthy is outright MANDATORY.


  32. Les October 30, 2013 at 2:05 am

    I live in Redding Ca County of Shasta who voted down the succession . I am disapointed and feel the republic which are the local people should be the voters of such a important issue. Most here do not even understand what’s going on. The leftist record searchlight news paper and radio station let you know after events happen or an hour before which happened with the drone issue last year. Redding an up coming drone facility. Agenda 21 is in are face everyday now. Stores and library’s along with medical facilities and child care supported by state funds in the outskirts are all being closed. The people will move closer to town to work due to child care and medical. Older folks can’t drive 30 miles to get to a store so have to try to sell homes to move closer to town. Example is the town of round mountian. The market was closed due to some ridiculous tax issue then all else followed within 1 month the town is pretty much gone. We can’t go in the forestry land without permits and yes you walk in the gates are locked. They are talking about raising Shasta lake which concerns me because the reasons given seem bogus as the lake is never kept full to its potential currently . Raising the lake does cause imminent domain issues probably for many many residents around the lake and not to mention the businesses on the lake which keep this town going in the summer. Actually use to keep this town now it’s the pot growers who are overtaking the area , contaminating are waterways with chemicals and raising the crimes rates to all time highes which are not reported to the public here. I live in a middle class nieborhood and am surrounded by pot growers just this year. I have to worry about who’s coming through my property to try and steel my niebors pot who could harm my family not to mention the Oder which causes me to be sick and my horses and other animals to be upset obviously. The Oder should be a EPA violation. My town has gone to crude in 1 year due to the drug growers and transplant people from all over the world coming here distroying this beautiful area to make money in pot. The kids are stoned the workers are stoned. Sorry I kinda got off subject but do believe that the drug culture here may be part of agenda 21 . Homeland security moved in last year they are suppose to keep the growers under control but they are not here for that because they stay in town mostly not out looking for big grows.
    I wish you would write on the pot nation here John it’s absolutely out of control in so many ways.
    Thanks for your work.

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  34. Edgar Hoover October 31, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    The level of tin-foil crazy you folks are putting out is impressive.

    You’re so nuts you need to stay part of California.

  35. m October 31, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    There is only one thing that will change all this and Americans do not have the stomach for it.

  36. Pat Johnston November 3, 2013 at 8:37 am

    From the peak of Mount Lassen to the mouth of the Golden Gate, where’s our water?!
    This summer, I reached the Peak of Lassen and much to my dismay, the huge glacier is almost gone! There is nothing in the freezer!
    Looking out west to my beloved Tehama County, I saw a mountain of dead yellow and bright green squares, like a patch work quilt, from destructive clear cuts, with a valley full of smog and pollution, keeping out the rain.
    Clear cuts, like these that can be seen on google Earth or KRCR Weather App, don’t hold our snowpack, as is not drawn into our water system and without shade, snow evaporates into the atmosphere. Looking to the East, there is a healthy forest and plenty of water, as Lassen and Plumas do selective cutting and manage the forest in a healthy, sustainable way.
    A lack of water was evident in July, as Battle Creek, was running in July what normally runs in September and not a drop of water in Paynes Creek, below Paynes Creek. I know we’re in a drought. If it is due to global warming, shouldn’t we be smarter about what we are doing and not just ignore trends for big bucks.
    Driving into Antelope, where residential wells are drying up at an alarming rate, where a humongous over-planted orchard pulses, with its huge pumps sucking our wells dry, according to Department of Water Resources. Why would they put in another overplanted orchard, right in the middle of the problems, if they really care about our community? How could they be so heartless putting so many of their neighbors in financial debt, replacing old wells that were just fine, before this corporate farm invaded our lovely community, along with excessive traffic, noise and dust, just so they can make even more money at our expense? It is ridiculous that the County thinks a bunch of little marijuana gardens can tap the ground water in Rancho Tehama, but the overplanted orchard in Antelope isn’t affecting our groundwater! Where our beloved lake is burnt, full of weeds, void of water and wildlife! How could the Bureau of Reclamation do this to us, with no compensation for the losses? Driving down the freeway to the delta, new farms and new development spring up like our water springs eternal and it DOES NOT!
    If Governor Jerry Brown, Congressman Doug LaMalfa, Senators Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer and Senator Jim Nielson have their way, everything above the Twin Tunnels and LaMalfa’s Sites Reseviour will look like our slough. From what I can see our local elected officials are too busy doing nothing, to weigh in or even attend an excellent meeting, brought to Tehama County by the Democratic Central Committee. Thank you TCDCC for inviting Tom Stokley, Director of California Water Integrated Network, whose vast knowledge brought to light the dire circumstances involved in our water system, especially if we don’t wake up and take preventive measures. I’d like to encourage our elected officials to schedule him to speak at a meeting.
    There has been a lot of talk about splitting the State over really stupid reasons. Ex-Assemblyman Stan Statham wants to split the state down the middle, because he wants to keep coastal liberals, out of conservative’s business. Siskyou County crazies want a State with no Federal or State rules. Both based on petty partisan politics, which is destroying our Nation and California. Lets be smart about splitting the State, send a real message to the blue and red water thieves in Washington and Sacramento. Split the state from South Lake Tahoe, around Sacramento and to the bottom of the Delta. A bipartisan effort to split the State and save North State water could be successful! Conservatives of the north join with the money and powerful liberals of Sacramento to the bay area, and Northern California will be a force to be reckoned with. Succession from the Union may even be appropriate, to make sure our citizens have their God given water, because it is our water, as God intended it. The water is generated in our mountains, flows down our streams and river to the Delta and then, it’s supposed to flow into the ocean. However, greed and stupidity have made mere man think they can water a desert, over farm and over build and not run out of water! Time to wake up California and face reality. We have run out of water! Twin Tunnels, Sites Reservoir or raising Shasta Dam will not add a drop. Conservation, moratoriums, recycling waste water, rebuilding levees and desalination will. Support C-WIN, Aquaaliance, they have real answers to our very real water problems. Time to stop this madness!

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